Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/02/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Tina, Somebody (unattributed) wrote: > >I've tried twice to get into your new web page, and can't get beyond the > >first image. Don't know what the problem is, other folks don't seem to > >have it. ...then at 18 Feb 1999 08:55:20 -0500, Tina Manley <images@InfoAve.Net> wrote: > Try it again this morning. I've been working on it all night and I think > when I'm uploading files to the site maybe you can't access it. Thanks- I have a clue. When I tried to access the site, I had the same problem: I saw one image, and no kind of link to get at any other photos. As a last resort before posting a query about the site's current state, and with appropriate trepidation, I re-enabled Java in my browser (something one doesn't in general want to subject oneself to, given the poor history these Java interpreters have with respect to security holes and unreliability). Sure enough, it seems that whoever did Tina's web page with her was so technology-mad that there's a Java applet serving a purpose which would be far better served by simple HTML hyperlinks: little buttons labelled "Portfolios", "Statement", etcetera appeared. I was able to look at a few (very pleasing) pictures before my browser crashed. I restarted it, and was able to see a few more before it failed again, this time locking up. Granted, I may not have the most reliable implementation of the Java bytecode interpreter in the particular version of Netscape I'm using; but these things are known to be a continual source of problems, and using Java applets in anything but a situation where you specify and test both server and client platforms is a known recipe for disaster in that technology's not-ready-for-prime-time state. Please, Tina: treat your choice of web-page technologies like you treat your choice of camera technologies: if plain HTML, displayable (if you stick to the older, less-esoteric tags) on many browsers going years back in version, and displayable much faster and more reliably even by the newest browsers, is the M6; then a heavily Javascript-infested page would be like a camera with a motor wind and no manual wind or rewind, dead without batteries or in the face of any of a number of technical failures; and a Java-dependant page would be more like that camera, further "improved" such that the lens can only be focused with an electric motor controlled via a color LCD touchpad. Hell, while I'm at it: I held my tongue earlier when you spoke of the lengths you had to go to to get that hit-counter in your pages, but... Hit counters are a Bad Thing. Because they change each time someone accesses the page, that kneecaps a web-server's, or any proxy servers', ability to cache and re-serve, lightning fast and with little overhead, a popular page the way a static page could be served. The web-server and network fall to their knees under the additional load, and the people trying to look at your pictures suffer more delays. And for what, really? Do people want to see the photos, or do they really most want to see how many other people are looking at the photos? The photos are, as always, worth seeing. It was good to see B&W work without that distracting sepia-like coloration one of your other sites had. I had earlier performed the exercise of downloading one of those images and stripping that color back out and re-viewing: a definite improvement. I fired up my browser about four or five times so that I could look at a few pictures each time between Java-related crashes with the object of being able to respond to your color-vs-B&W question. Very interesting. I definitely developed a few opinions, but I haven't necessarily been able to abstract rules which explain my particular opinions. From the Guatemala section: Francesca and Sandra Marisela Perez: I rather liked this in color. Partly, I derived some sensual enjoyment from the greenish pattern which was the out-of-focus background. Silly, eh? Sandra Marisela Perez: I'm of two minds on this one, but am mildly in the "color is good" camp because seeing the actual colors woven into her garment brings me closer to the experience of being there with her. Reynaldo Ortez: I like this in color, but, as with `Francesca and Sandra Marisela Perez' above, more in a sensual way than a documentary way. I just think the colors in the picture look good together. Quiché Shepherd Brothers: I fear that one seems almost too... "pretty", I guess, in color. Reads kind of like a postcard, whereupon one is more likely to see the people as props in a landscape than as the true subjects of the photo. I think I'd have preferred it in B&W. Sareya Perez I think I'd have liked this one better in B&W, although I'm at a loss to articulate precisely why. Pasqua Ordoñez: I believe I'd prefer this one in B&W, as well. Perhaps I'm just reacting badly to decades of "Kodak Moments" ads, and wish to knock the picture a bit farther out of that stream so it can actually be *seen* rather than merely recognized and filed, mostly subconsciously. ...and so on. Thanks for showing us these pictures, and thanks for supplying us with actual examples to be fodder for the eternal B&W vs color thread. -Jeff Moore