Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/10/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Peter, >>In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may do some time. << As a criminal defense attorney, I would very much like to know how this works. A number of my clients would like to know too. Bryan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) <peterk@lucent.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers > Thank you for the information from that communist group of leftists a.k.a. > Amnesty International. > > Do they use Leica Rs or Ms? Leica loupes perhaps to examine their clienmts > documents? I would hope so, after all they do need to find those loupe > holes...er..umm I mean loop holes. > > As to the underage offenders who have committed murder, and whose lawyers > and others feel that execution is not necessary, I hope they serve a child > sitter for them or at very least become their house guest for an extended > period of time. > > To put the US in the same sentence as Yemen and Saudi Arabia is ludicrous!! > In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may do > some time. In the other countries you noted, the first time they remove > your right hand, and the next time they remove you from society permanently > with a means not as pleasant as lethal injection. > > Peter K > (Not a lawyer, but a god fearing, Leica toting American!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Caldwell [mailto:bcaldwell@softcom.net] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 12:12 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers > > > The following statistics are provided by Amnesty International (and > verifiable through any number of sources): > > "International law prohibits the execution of people who were under 18 at > the time of the crime. > > "Most countries with the death penalty have laws exempting the execution of > juvenile offenders; the only other countries, besides the United States, in > which such executions are reported to have been carried out in the 1990s are > Saudi Arabia and Yemen. > > "There have been 13 executions of juvenile offenders in the USA, including 7 > in Texas. The 1st such execution in 20 years occurred in Texas in 1985. > > "As of May, 1999, over 70 juvenile offenders are on death rows in the USA, > including 26 on death row in Texas; 24 of the 38 US states with the death > penalty have laws allowing the imposition of death sentences on juveniles. > > "In June 1989, the US Supreme Court ruled that the execution of offenders as > young as 16 was permissible under the Constitution." > > There is a little semanitcs involved, however. The issue is not whether a > juvenile has been executed (although that is possible) but whether a person > is executed for a crime that they committed while they were a juvenile. > > Bryan > (I'm a public defender currently assigned to juvenile cases in California) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > ---- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Cardish <dcardish@microtec.net> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 9:42 AM > Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers > > > > This has got to be the goofiest thing I have read yet on the LUG. > > Absolutely idiotic. Even the National Enquirer wouldn't try passing off > > such complete and total drivel. > > > > Dan C. > > > > At 10:41 AM 01-10-99 -0600, Tim Atherton wrote: > > >> > > >> At , dkgibson@hushmail.com wrote: > > >> >2. They are one of the last countries in the world which still execute > > >> >children; one of the few others being Afganistan. Although the US has > > >> >executed more children than Afganistan in the last few years. > > >> > > >> This is completely ludicrous. If it was happening, we would know > > >> about it. > > >> See, unlike the U.K. we have a free press. > > > > > > > > >Hmm, > > > > > >I don't recall all the details, but I do recall reading a longish article > > >about this in Vanity Fair I think, and also on Salon.com on the internet > I > > >think? I think the point of the article was that most Americans didn't > know > > >it was happening. Now, having just had a big magazine clear out, I will > have > > >to go and see if it still there... > > > > > >Tim A > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > >