Re: [Leica]FS:Photo books and prints by Albert Wang, first three copies for free

["Stuart Phillips" <stuart.phillips@rcn.com>]

That's very touching, but instead of arsing around as wild guys living on
the edge, two of you could have held either side of the camera to keep it
level, another tugged the lens around to the correct focus and a fourth
worked the meter.  Alfie could have handled the intellectual forbears part
for y'all.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Jennings" <darrell_jennings@yahoo.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica]FS:Photo books and prints by Albert Wang, first three
copies for free


> Everyone who has been to a PLUG meeting knows Alfie,
> and he is NOT a troll or a merchant, just a young
> photographer trying to work hard on his dream.
>
> --- Stuart Phillips <stuart.phillips@rcn.com> wrote:
> > I think the difference here is the first two letters
> > of the subject: FS.
> > What is for sale is clearly not what is advertized.
> > That with those two
> > letters, the subject matter moves swiftly out of the
> > area of critique (and
> > the academic comparison is clearly a red herring)
> > into trade. Go to the
> > archives - THERE is the history of a critique, from
> > many of the long-term
> > members of this list, including presumably some of
> > the mentally healthy
> > people you admire who in the end couldn't decide if
> > Alfie was for real. If a
> > merchant has a history of misrepresenting his wares,
> > we are entitled to know
> > about it. Fair and simple. When I read the first
> > post I WAS taken in. Only
> > later to be alerted by other posts. For those
> > prices, go to the back of
> > Black and White Magazine and buy some real
> > photography.
> >
> > Sorry you won't read any of this. Hope you enjoy
> > your limited (very limited)
> > edition (any size you want as long as it fits in a
> > Xerox machine)
> >
> > stuart phillips
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>;
> > <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Leica]FS:Photo books and prints by
> > Albert Wang, first three
> > copies for free
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:26 -0400
> > > > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > > > Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Photo books and prints
> > by Albert Wang, first
> > three copies for free.
> > > > Message-ID:
> > <MBBBJHIBKCKEAEOKKBPOMEENEHAA.bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > > > References:
> > > >
> > > > I'll address the issue, Mark.   <snip>
> > >
> > > > I feel
> > > > we have every right to publically respond to his
> > [Alfie's] offer by
> > telling him
> > > > honestly how we feel about it:
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have no problem with that, B.D.  I hold Alfie's
> > talents in no high
> > regard myself.  My objection lies elsewhere.  Please
> > try to follow the point
> > I'm making.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In my case that means saying that if I had a
> > student who produced work
> > of
> > > > this quality I would not hesitate to give him or
> > her an F.
> > >
> > > I happen to be a professor, and I too would give
> > Alfie an F.  But if I
> > commented on a student's paper with the kind of
> > vitriol that I read on this
> > list, I would be hauled in front of the Dean pronto,
> > and
> > > with good cause too.
> > >
> > >
> > > > As I said
> > > > earlier, I consider Alfie's posing as a
> > photographer - for that is truly
> > > > what he is doing - an real insult to every
> > photographer on this list.
> > > >
> > > > I personally think it would be sad to see
> > someone leave the LUG because
> > they
> > > > feel it is inappropriate to speak truthfully.
> > But if that's what you
> > want to
> > > > do, so be it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What I see on this list is a confusion between
> > speaking truthfully and
> > intemperately.  By all means, people should feel
> > free to express their
> > displeasure honestly.  I'm only suggesting that when
> > they do,
> > > their first thing they should ask themselves is
> > whether they are
> > expressing themselves courteously.  Right now, it
> > appears that the first
> > question many respondents ask themselves in penning
> > a response is
> > > whether there are one or two "l"s in
> > "disembowelled."
> > >
> > > My objection is that people act incivilly (to put
> > it mildly) and then
> > defend their insulting and objectional behaviour by
> > wrapping themselves
> > self-righteously in the mantle of free speech.
> > There are such
> > > things as netiquette or ordinary decency, and
> > surely even the most savage
> > message-writers should be able to grasp the concept
> > that they might be able
> > to communicate their opinions on this list without
> > doing
> > > it in such vituperative terms that they drive away
> > many productive
> > contributors.  Ted Grant appears to be just one of
> > the most recent in a long
> > line of people fleeing from such onslaughts.  How
> > long will it
> > > take before the list is reduced to a bunch of
> > cranks shaking their fists
> > and cursing everything?  It appears to be
> > dangerously close to that now -- I
> > offer the fascinating example of social pathology
> > > demonstrated by the "Canadian Health Care System
> > and Slavery" thread as a
> > recent manifestation.
> > >
> > > Right now, I'm receiving LUG in digest form, and
> > usually delete most
> > digests unread when I see a flame war taking place.
> > The loss of so many
> > people on this list has reduced me to the point
> > where I receive
> > > it for the isolated insights now available, the
> > chance to see the
> > photography of people like Nathan, the chance for a
> > window on the wonderful
> > people of Natichoches (sp?), to marvel at the
> > company Kyle keeps,
> > > to see what advice Tina disseminates, or to see
> > what's for sale.  The
> > proportion of this wheat to sociopathic chaff
> > diminishes steadily.
> > >
> > > That's all I have to say on the matter, and as I
> > am not a mental health
> > care professional, I have little hope that anything
> > I say will do any good.
> > Once more, I urge people on this list to consider
> > the
> > > effect their means of expressing themselves is
> > having on the general
> > well-being of LUG.  When you reply to this B.D. (I
> > have no doubt that you
> > will, since you appear to be pathologically devoted
> > to having
> > > the last word on everything), keep in mind that I
> > will not respond, and
> > that I will delete your email unread.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > B. D.
> > > >
> > > > - -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > >
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> > Behalf Of Mark Langer
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:16 PM
> > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > > Subject: RE:[Leica] FS: Photo books and prints
> > by Albert Wang, first
> > > > three copies for free.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hear that noise?  It is the sound of another 30
> > people unsubscribing
> > from
> > > > this list and joining LEG.
> > > >
> > > > Without engaging in debate on the issue of the
> > quality of Albert's work,
> > > > when are people going to clue in to the fact
> > that the general lack of
> > > > civility is really
> > > > messing up this list?  And please, spare me the
> > "don't let the door hit
> > you
> > > > on your way out" remarks, gang.  That doesn't
> > address the issue.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > >
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