Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/12/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hey- When I get a chance, I'm planning on getting the Leica-Canon EOS adapter for my D60. A 6 megapixel CMOS sensor behind Leica (or, more likely, Cosina) glass - I can't wait. >Why would anyone here use a Leica (aside from as a status symbol) if one of the >important factors wasn't image quality? I find that the type of camera I'm holding absolutely affects my photography, just like the type of car I'm in affects my driving. A friend of mine has a Ford Mustang - when I drive it, it's a far cry from my usual Toyota Camry driving style. Ultimately I get where I'm going both ways, but the real question is how. In addition, just like I would never drive through Harlem in the Mustang, I would never machine-gun 36 frames through an F5 after "You may now kiss the bride." in a quiet church. I see cameras as tools, and the Leica is another one in my toolbox. Horses for courses. - --Dan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Zeni" <clzeni@mindspring.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results > The Volvo engine stuff is easy. The M digiback, well... > > At 05:03 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: > >Forgive a (digital) neophite's question: Any rumors > >for a digital back for M cameras? (I also want to put > >a V-8 in my '64 Volvo...) > > > >Thanks, > > > >Patrick > > > >--- Rafael Alday <rafaelalday@yahoo.es> wrote: > > > 1) this is the reason why I got a Leica and not a > > > P&S > > > camera. An "average" P$S camera takes good pictures: > > > > > > "Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race,how > > > many do you think have ever noticed the "fine > > > titching" in the jockey's jackets? For that matter, > > > of > > > 100 photographers shooting such a scene, how many > > > know > > > - or care - that the detail is there until they look > > > at a huge enlargement? > > > > > > 2) I agree about speed and editing digital shots but > > > YES I want to develope my own films (latitude > > > control) > > > > > > > > > Rafael > > > > > > --- bdcolen <bdcolen@earthlink.net> escribióº ¦gt; > > > Robert - > > > > 1. Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race, > > > > how many do you think > > > > have ever noticed the "fine stitching" in the > > > > jockey's jackets? For that > > > > matter, of 100 photographers shooting such a > > > scene, > > > > how many know - or > > > > care - that the detail is there until they look at > > > a > > > > huge enlargement? > > > > Bottom line - does the digital capture the scene? > > > > Does it capture the > > > > color "accurately?" Does it capture light and > > > > shadow? Does it capture > > > > the action? Does it give the same impression, when > > > > viewed from a normal > > > > viewing distance, that film does? After all, NO > > > ONE > > > > is looking at such a > > > > photo with a loupe other than someone trying to > > > see > > > > what fine detail the > > > > film was capable of resolving. > > > > > > > > 2. You've got to be kidding when you say the > > > digital > > > > workflow takes > > > > longer than the film workflow. > > > > "I develop them by machine, edit on a light table > > > > and > > > > throw out the rejects. I can view a slide in a > > > few > > > > seconds using a > > > > loupe. Opening a file, closing it and then > > > deleting > > > > it probably > > > > averages > > > > to ten or fifteen seconds each file." > > > > > > > > So you're saying you take a processing machine to > > > > the venue? And wait > > > > how long for the slides to be processed, dried, > > > and > > > > mounted before you > > > > throw them on the light table - that you also took > > > > to the venue? As > > > > opposed to the "ten to fifteen seconds" it > > > "probably > > > > averages" to view > > > > each digital image and decide if it's a keeper - > > > > which can be done on > > > > the camera if one is so inclined. And if one > > > isn't, > > > > it's sure easier > > > > carrying a laptop to the race track than it is > > > > transporting a slide > > > > processing outfit, film drier, mounts, and a > > > > lightbox. And then, > > > > assuming that you want to make some color or white > > > > balance adjustments > > > > in those slides you've thrown on the lightbox, how > > > > do you do it - unless > > > > you're printing - and how long does it take? > > > > > > > > Come on. If you want to say that you think film is > > > > superior because it > > > > captures that fine detail - and you have a need > > > for > > > > that fine detail - > > > > okay. If you want to say you prefer the latitude > > > > film gives you, okay. > > > > If you want to say that you prefer to use your > > > > Leicas and Leica glass, > > > > and that you can't use them to shoot digitally, > > > > fine. But don't claim > > > > that shooting digitally slows people down - > > > because > > > > it just ain't so. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > B. D. > > > > Still shooting film. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Robert G. > > > > Stevens > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:57 PM > > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > > Subject: RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:29 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Wilfred, > > > > > > > > > > > White balance and overall color fidelity is > > > > often > > > > > > superior to film in good digital cameras, > > > > > > > > > >I believe you are misusing the word "fidelity". > > > > Fidelity means > > > > >"accuracy of reproduction". It is physically > > > > impossible for digital > > > > >cameras using Bayer pattern sensors to have > > > higher > > > > "fidelity" than film > > > > > > > > >(unless they have a LOT of sensors, and 11M > > > sensors > > > > doesn't come > > > > >close), simply because of the color interpolation > > > > that happens due to > > > > >the Bayer pattern sensor. > > > > > > > > I have noticed that images shot with digital seem > > > to > > > > be missing some of > > > > the > > > > finer detail captured on slide film. I am > > > assuming > > > > it is this color > > > > interpolation doing it. I borrowed an EOS 1D to > > > > shoot some hockey this > > > > weekend. When shot at 400asa the details in the > > > > material of the jerseys > > > > > > > > seem to be missing. Using the same lens, E200 > > > > pushed to EI 400 seems > > > > to > > > > capture more details in the Jerseys, such as the > > > > fine stiching. It is > > > > really noticable with the red jerseys. > > > > > > > > Look at the sample image on the EOS 1D web page. > > > In > > > > the Jockey picture > > > > the > > > > red jersey has no detail, just a blob of red. Its > > > a > > > > big tiff file and > > > > takes a while to download. > > > > > > > > http://www.usa.canon.com/EOS-1D/sample.html > > > > > > > > I would also argue that digital adds a lot to the > > > > work flow for somebody > > > > > > > > that is not on a tight deadline. Shooting at 8fps > > > > and high quality > > > > creates > > > > a lot of files that take a lot of time to open and > > > > decide whether to > > > > delete > > > > or keep. With slides, I develop them by machine, > > > > edit on a light table > > > > and > > > > throw out the rejects. I can view a slide in a > > > few > > > > seconds using a > > > > loupe. Opening a file, closing it and then > > > deleting > > > > it probably > > > > averages > > > > to ten or fifteen seconds each file. > > > > > > > > Not to mention dragging a laptop to the venue to > > > > download the images and > > > > > > > > start some of the editing. One more thing to > > > carry. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >-- > >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > Craig Zeni - REPLY TO -->> clzeni at mindspring dot com > http://www.trainweb.org/zeniphotos/zenihome.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~clzeni/index.html > > If a man in the woods says something and his wife is not present to hear it, > Is he still wrong? > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html