Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/01/18

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Subject: Re: [Leica] (way off topic and overly opinionated) Apple for a died in the wool Windows guy
From: Marc Attinasi <marc@attinasi.org>
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:58:25 -0800

Dude, Mac's rock, wintel PC's suck. If you want cheap, well, you'll 
probably get what you pay for, but for a reasonable price you can get a 
nice Mac that will work, as you expect it to, all the time.  I have not 
turned on my Win2K / Pentium machine in at least a year now, but I keep 
it just 'cause some applications have succumbed to the dark side and 
only make Windows versions :-)  As a software developer myself, I know 
how easy it is to fall into the DMS (Downward Microsoft Spiral), but 
anyway, spend $1500 and get an iMac, put it in your living room, you 
won't be sorry. Leave the Win2K box in the studio where nobody will see 
it. You can even run MS Office on the Mac, in case you cannot totally 
leave the mainstream - it works great and is extremely compatible (I 
have to use it for work). Ha! I even run Win98 on my Mac sometimes, 
when I have to use MS Visio which only runs on Windows. That feels 
strange, but it is an option and it works well.

Cheers!
- - marc

On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 09:50  PM, Carl Pultz wrote:

> Last week I saw the new iMac with the 17" wide screen flat panel on 
> the articulated arm and that little hemispherical base, and just about 
> came in my pants!
>
> It's small, self-contained so portable, elegant enough to place on the 
> living room coffee table, and best and most unique of all, it is 
> nearly dead silent. Like a laptop, but not a laptop.
>
> But, look guys. Macs hang. Macs crash. Everything does if stressed. 
> Software costs a lot compared to the MS platform and there are far 
> fewer choices available. Hardware is also much more costly and more 
> model specific. If you have a particular high end app that's Mac 
> native, and the funds to purchase a turn key system - a new one every 
> couple years - that's great. But bang for buck, windoze rulez.
>
> My Win 2000 system has been running for two years, same installation. 
> (NT4 just as stable before that.) It has recorded rock bands on eight 
> channels, edited and mixed music CDs and radio programs, scanned and 
> printed hundreds of photos, been cloned from hd to hd, had hardware 
> added and subtracted. It runs on a four year old PC which has had five 
> different video cards, gradually upgraded as my gamer friends chased 
> the state of the art. I've replaced everything but the processor and 
> mother board, each evolution costing chump change. It has grown with 
> my needs and been just what a computer should be - a reliable, low 
> cost, flexible appliance.
>
> This afternoon, Micky and I set up her five year old P233 in the 
> kitchen to watch cspan coverage of the demonstration in DC. (We don't 
> have cable TV, but do have cable internet.) That old clunker does XP 
> just fine if you're not running a bunch of apps. Try doing anything 
> with OS10 on a five year old Mac.
>
> It's one of those colossal ironies that the (deservedly) hated 
> Microsoft made possible the most democratic revolution in technology 
> (for the average person, not a unix programmer) built on a platform 
> created by the equally ignoble partner of fascists, IBM.
>
> Too bad PCs are pretty much relegated by price competition to the 
> bottom end of build creativity. I'd still love to have one of those 
> svelte iMac beauties with the little orb holding a flat panel TFT at 
> any rakish angle one desires. And no bleeding fan noise! If somebody 
> makes a PC that's so pretty, then I'd rejoice. And, without having to 
> replace all my sw, be able to afford one.
>
> CP
>
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