Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/01/21

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Loose Top Plate on M7
From: Tom.Henson@bakerbotts.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:34:46 -0600

Well, now that I think some more about this, it was loose only on the right
side.

I did gently pull on the left side and it did appear to be tight.

This also brings up the fact as to how it would move up and down on the
right, but still be tight on the left?

Is the top plate held in place by only the one screw at the twelve o'clock
position on the lens mounting ring?

Are Leica's tolerances now so loose that this is possible just from one
loose screw?

This may explain the up and down motion, but what about the front to back
play? That would mean that even if you did tighten up the screw, there would
still be a small gap between the front and back for dust and moisture to
enter.

I am beginning to wonder if this top plate had been switched out with
another camera altogether and was not even the original one that was on it
when it left the factory. Leading one to ask, was this camera really new.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Lehrer [mailto:jerryleh@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Loose Top Plate on M7


Tom

If it is loose on one side only, and is fixed on the other, then there must
be bending of the top cover.  Not good!

Jerry

Tom.Henson@bakerbotts.com wrote:

> Bill,
>
> It was loose just taking it out of the box. I had not even put in a 
> roll of film.
>
> It was only loose on the right side where the advance lever is. I 
> don't know why just this one side, maybe the way it attaches to the 
> top.
>
> I was able to move it up and down on this side about 3mm and also 
> front to back about 2mm.
>
> These are estimates since I had no way to measure exactly, but that 
> much of a gap in the fit surely would have resulted in dust and 
> moisture getting into the rangefinder mechanism. Not good.
>
> I sent it back to B&H and just sent Henry a message to follow up on 
> it. I hope to hear back from him.
>
> I did not fill out the warranty card (thank goodness) and expect that 
> B&H should simply send me another new M7 as a replacement.
>
> Hope this information helps.
>
> Tom Henson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Satterfield [mailto:cwsat@istate.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Loose Top Plate on M7
>
> Tom, how loose is it?  Was it loose when you took it out of the box? I 
> just took delivery of one and have not sent in the warranty card yet. 
> Did it  develop after started to use it? Please give us  the details. 
> ?
>
> Tom.Henson@bakerbotts.com wrote:
>
> >Thanks to all those that commented on the problem of the loose top 
> >plate on my new M7.
> >
> >I felt at the time it was a severe flaw and decided the best course 
> >of action was to send it back to B&H for replacement. It should 
> >deliver back to them today and I hope to hear from them in the next 
> >day or two.
> >
> >I hope Henri is able to look at the camera and put a call into Leica, 
> >NJ.
> >
> >While this does appear to be an isolated case (since no one else 
> >seemed to have this problem), it is still severe enough to question 
> >why this camera was shipped from Solms in the first place. Especially 
> >since it came with a quality assurance inspection card with a 
> >signature.
> >
> >A mystery which I may never know or understand.
> >
> >Tom Henson
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Henry Ting [mailto:henryting10@yahoo.com]
> >Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:59 PM
> >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> >Subject: RE: [Leica] Loose Top Plate on M7
> >
> >
> >Do let us know how it turns out. If Leica USA gives
> >you the run around, we're all going to be behind you.
> >A loose top plate should never happen, regardless
> >whether its grey market or USA import.
> >
> >--- Austin Franklin <darkroom@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Don,
> >>
> >>>That is a good question. I did buy if from an
> >>>
> >>Authorized Leica dealer
> >>
> >>>But the the warranty card doesn't specify if it is
> >>>
> >>USA or International.
> >>
> >>I suggest you call Leica USA and find out, or you
> >>may be in for a surprise
> >>when you try to get it repaired!
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Austin
> >>
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Replies: Reply from Bill Satterfield <cwsat@istate.net> (Re: [Leica] Loose Top Plate on M7)
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