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Subject: Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum
From: Slobodan Dimitrov <sld@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:55:40 -0800
References: <NDEIJCBGJPIEPDFEENCMMEADCJAA.kitmc@acmefoto.com> <3E544025.19190A13@pacbell.net>

Since we're on the subject of the pieds noir, has there ever been any
comments from HCB on his own colonial experience?
Slobodan Dimitrov


Jerry Lehrer wrote:
> 
> Kit
> 
> BTW, "pieds noir" were colonists, not Colonialists.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Kit McChesney | acmefoto wrote:
> 
> > Jerry--
> >
> > No problem. I understand. My ;-) is meant to signal "humor."
> >
> > Kit  ;-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Jerry
> > Lehrer
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:36 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum
> >
> > Kit
> >
> > Hey Kit!  I did not say who was right or wrong.  All I said that
> > they wanted to, and DID, kill each other.  Just like in Northern
> > Ireland.
> >
> > Lets not get so defensive there.   I take no sides in the matter.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Kit McChesney | acmefoto wrote:
> >
> > > Let's not forget that Algeria belonged to the Algerians before the French
> > > "gave it away." Ahem. And the pied-noirs, that's another word for French
> > > Colonialist. ;-)
> > >
> > > We gave back Britain, didn't we? Our favorite colony.
> > >
> > > Kit
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Jerry
> > > Lehrer
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:03 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > They were in Paris, not Algeria.  The Algerians were in Paris
> > > for the riots. DeGaulle sold out the pied-noirs and the French
> > > Army, and gave Algeria away.
> > >
> > > I haven't seen the slides for 40 years, they are stomach turning.
> > > believe me.  No one believed in peaceful demonstrations in
> > > those days. No rubber bullets either.
> > >
> > > Sort of like in Belfast a while back.  Three sides all hating each
> > > other.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Patrick Jelliffe wrote:
> > >
> > > > A good lab can scan them for you to a cd, and then you
> > > > can upload them to the leica gallery or photo.net.
> > > > I'd enjoy seeing some chromes from Algeria.  Still
> > > > wishing I'd copied my grandfather's pictures, (lost in
> > > > a move), from the US exercise in Vladivostok back in
> > > > '21(?).  Really something.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > > --- Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > > Pat
> > > > >
> > > > > I am digitally challenged, and have no ability or
> > > > > capability to
> > > > > send pics on the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick Jelliffe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Post 'em, Jerry!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry Lehrer wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I had gotten street photos in Paris when
> > > > > riots
> > > > > > > were real riots!
> > > > > > > During the Algerian riots in 1959 and 1960.
> > > > > > > Gendarmes beating
> > > > > > > people with clubs and weighted capes. Skulls
> > > > > broken
> > > > > > > open!  Blood
> > > > > > > running in the gutters. (literally!).  I was
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > Kodachrome and got
> > > > > > > it all in living (or dead) color.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have never seen more vicious actions by both
> > > > > sides
> > > > > > > (actually three
> > > > > > > sides, police, Algerians and pied-noirs, the
> > > > > French
> > > > > > > who wanted to
> > > > > > > stay in Algeria).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tina Manley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 08:16 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Neil - did you notice Marc Riboud's pic of a
> > > > > > > protester holding a poster of
> > > > > > > > >his ~1968 V. Nam Picture?  Also anyone know
> > > > > why
> > > > > > > certain images from Magnum
> > > > > > > > >are not available in France?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >ernie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > France has very strict laws prohibiting street
> > > > > > > photography without releases
> > > > > > > > from everyone in the photo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tina
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > > > > > > > http://www.tinamanley.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > photos available from:
> > > > > > > > http://www.pdiphotos.com
> > > > > > > > http://www.mira.com
> > > > > > > > http://www.agpix.com
> > > > > > > > http://www.newscom.com
> > > > > > > >
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In reply to: Message from "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> (RE: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum)
Message from Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> (Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum)