Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Simon-- I'm not talking about the doctor's being a rush to close a sucking chest wound. Of course an ER doc is in a hurry to take care of that. I mean slowing down to make sure things are done correctly. Or having adequate staff to double-check to be sure the doctor isn't forced to do more than he or she should, under difficult circumstances. Medicine in the U.S. ain't what it used to be, that's for sure. When a hospital ward has 32 patients under the care of one RN, you know something is wrong. The same for doctors and the operating room. I'm not blaming the docs, per se, but insurance companies are putting money and time constraints on doctors that are affecting the quality of health care. Boy, is this off-topic! Kit - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of animal Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:27 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen Kit Well if your minimum speed is 300 feet a second that is not true. And i would think that with an open Thorax you are in a hurry to. Speed is life. simon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > Simon-- > > Well, I think that docs in the OR are under tremendous pressure to perform > quickly (we can debate why all day long, but insurance companies probably > have something to do with it given their push to drive down medical > expenses) and to get people out of the hospital as fast as possible. There > were reports that they had closed incisions leaving surgical instruments, > other surgical equipment, waste from the surgery itself (materials used in > the process) and other debris. Patients discovered that they had "stuff" > inside their bodies later, after developing serious infections. The result > of many preventable mistakes is often death. And then there are the cases > where the wrong part of the body was subject to operation, etc, not to > mention the amputation of the "wrong" limb. Ouch. > > I think the best procedure for minimizing mistakes is to slow down. Like > anything else. Slower is better. Haste makes waste. > > Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of animal > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:24 AM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > I,d suspect that there are other reasons for speed. > There might be a limit how long surgery can last anyway. > Everybody makes mistakes constantly. > Even though results of mistakes vary. > You can not blame people,s poor design. > You just have to device procedures to minimize mistakes. > It,s a very interesting complex subject human factors. > The highest number of accidents occur in the home when people make tea. > When distracted it,s very easy to boil two times the amount of water and at > the second to an allready full teapot which can result in horrible burns for > kids below the counter. > While in the past research focused on aviation and the nuclear industries > research has shown the complexity and is now focusing on the more common > household accidents. > simon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > Edward-- > > > > There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left > > instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the > > incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure > to > > perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also thinking > of > > the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain > > permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork > > sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to work > with, > > really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to > make > > it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the > human > > side of the subject, you may have some luck. > > > > You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh, > I'd > > love to follow you around and document what you do! > > > > Kit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Edward > > Caliguri > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > > > Thanks Buzz, Tina- > > With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well > (animals!) > > - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR - human or > otherwise - > > is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and > photograph. > > I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class > > surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left his > > Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM > > transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when > > someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I think > > that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere > > (children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents of > > 'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope! > > Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales. > > Ed > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500 > > > From: "Buzz Hausner" <buzz.hausner@verizon.net> > > > Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs > > > Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner> > > > References: > > > > > > Well...perhaps and perhaps not. Ted and Sandy are photographing a book > > > on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all > > > venues where medicine is practiced. We'll have to wait for a report > > > from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal > > > Intensive Care Unit). I am certain they will be photographing in the OR > > > because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow. > > > > > > Hospital administrators seem reluctant...stupidly...to permit > > > documentary photography in intensive care units. This may be from > > > liability jitters, but who knows. > > > > > > Buzz Hausner > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html