RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R

["bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Big difference. If one is deaf, and then loses ones hearing - especially
is one is a Beethoven, one has "music in the head," one can imagine
music, variations on it, and transcribe that music. Granted, beng able
to do that as Beethoven could required genius, but that's another
matter.

But if one is blind, without any sight, one cannot see to photograph;
one cannot make judgments about the objects being photographed and
cannot compose the photographs; one cannot see the finished photos and
compare them to other photos, or to the object one photographed.

I stand by my original post - IF we are talking about persons with NO
sight.

B. D.

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Beethoven was deaf in his final years
simon
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From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:57 AM
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> Okay, I can't help myself...I am going to be totally politically 
> incorrect and ROFLOL! (And, yes, I've seen the book of photographs by 
> blind "photographers."
> 
> I know: I'm cruel. I have no imagination, blah, blah, blah, blah. Get 
> a grip, folks! Alternatively sighted people are BLIND. They CAN NOT 
> SEE. Photography is a VISUAL medium. It requires VISION.
> 
> I don't care if a blind person can point an autofocus camera at a 
> subject he or she hears and "take a picture." An Ape can do the same 
> thing, and I am not going to take Ape photography seriously either.
> 
> I know, I know, there are a bunch of Thai elephants that paint and a 
> bunch of nuts who pay allot of money for the paintings.
> 
> I'll tell you something, when I lose the remainder of my hearing - I 
> now suffer from moderate hearing loss in one ear and a severe lost in 
> the other, and wear two hearing aids, I am NOT going to apply for a 
> job as a freaking MUSIC critic! ;-)
> 
> B. D.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Kit 
> McChesney | acmefoto
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:37 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
> 
> 
> Speaking of photographers with poor eyesight, or even more amazing, 
> photographers who are legally or functionally blind, Aperture just 
> published last year a gorgeous book on the subject of blind 
> photographers, titled appropriately, Shooting Blind. It is a moving 
> volume, and poses some interesting questions about how we see, and 
> what we see. There are many blind photographers ... Evgen Bavcar, Flo 
> Fox, Gerardo Nigenda, among others. Bavcar has some interesting things

> to say about the differences between the visual, and the visible.
> 
> "My task is the reunion of the visible and the invisible worlds; 
> photography allows me to pervert the established method of perception 
> amongst those who see and those who don't." ... and ...  "Each photo I

> create must be perfectly ordered in my head before I shoot. I hold the

> camera to my mouth in order to photograph those I speak to. Autofocus 
> helps me, but I can manage on my own: it is simple, my hands measure 
> the distance and the rest is achieved by the desire for images that 
> inhabits me."
> 
> I suspect that even with their visual difference ("seeing" differently

> from most of the rest of the world) that not all blind or visually 
> impaired photographers use autofocus ... focus is not necessarily the 
> requisite hallmark of a photographic image. Don't we use the unfocused

> as a tool of expression? What about bokeh? (Thanks, Mark R!)
> 
> Kit
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of John 
> Collier
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:27 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
> 
> 
> I used to agree with Doug but have since run across a few people who 
> have such poor eyesight they need auto focus. Mind you that is not 
> very many people for the plethora of AF cameras out there...
> 
> No plans for AF here,
> 
> John Collier
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:56 PM, Douglas Herr wrote:
> 
> > lea <lea@whinydogpress.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd be first in line to have one....
> >
> > The combination of an APO lens and an SL, SL2, R8 or R9 viewfinder
> > makes focussing too easy to make AF worth discussing (IMHO).
> 
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