Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/03/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I can't believe you guys would actually deign to create this analogy, and print it on a piece of virtual paper, for all human beings, regardless of ability, to read, and not only that, but to be subjected to: "Otherwise there is no meaning and we might as well just hang cameras on birds and cows and let them take photographs randomly and give each image equal value to anything posted here." Good lord. Do you really think that the creative effort of a human being who conceives and produces an image, regardless of his or her ability to eventually perceive it, relative to someone whose vision is 20/20, is equal to the putative creative effort of a bird or a cow? As for assigning things equal value to this or that posted here, I invite you to take a look at some of the work created by some of these blind photographers, and determine if indeed a cow or a bird could have created such an image. Point being, no, a blind person cannot see the result of the image he creates in the same way that you see it, but at the same time, if you base the value of an image on the ability of the artist to see it as you see it, or to see the "result" as well as you see it, then I think you are pretty darn arrogant. I'm surprised at how many people who profess to be able to "see" are actually quite blind to some of the most fundamental issues about what constitutes creativity and creative work. Astounding! Kit - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Adam Bridge Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:50 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R On 3/12/03 Patrick Jelliffe wrote: > >Art is SUBJECTIVE, Adam, and attempts to create >absolutes to judge the artist, his/her creative >process, or the finished work will fail. > >Patrick > Well DUH. But what does your response mean? How does the work of someone who cannot perceive the result, could NEVER perceive the result, cannot get criticism, improve? Where is the self-expression in this process? I don't think there IS any. It's performance art because the act is the art and not the result produced. I'm just terminally politically-incorrect in this area with absolutely NO apologies. Otherwise there is no meaning and we might as well just hang cameras on birds and cows and let them take photographs randomly and give each image equal value to anything posted here. It IS subjective right? Adam - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html