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Subject: Re: [Leica] Teaching with a Leica
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:27:04 -0800
References: <24b108d4f5b34a99949d724266747b2b.leica-user@ispwest.com>

Rud

I say this with trepidation, but I feel that your written words
say more to me than your photographs do.

Other observer's opinions may vary.

Jerry


leica-user@ispwest.com wrote:

> Daniel,
> Since we are on the topic of teaching....how about learning?
> I think it is the responsibility of "any" "good" teacher to bring the path to the student and not
> just walk the pupil through the rough edges.  I am a firm believe taking the student through
> the burning fire but giving them the  tools...let me repeat...giving them the tools that will
> guide the student through the experiences that will inevitably teach them.  I do not spoon
> feed anybody.  That is not my way of teaching.
> The way I learnt photography was by making mistakes andby doing it the wrong way. I
> was able to appreciate so much about photography by going the whole copurse and
> doubling back..sometimes missing the answer right under my nose.
> The day I learnt "reciprocity"..I felt like I was armed and ready for any situation, however it
> took a long time for me to understand that the mistakes I was making was directly linked to
> this (  ?  ) that I knew nothing about..did not even knew it existed.
> The women in the pictures show their sense of detachment from what they are soemtimes
> forced to do rto make a living...that should have triggered off further questions.....the fact
> that you did not ask you those questions could mean that  you did not see their
> detachment or you viewed my pics with your own agenda:-0
> I have 20 pics to show at the ICP on April 4.  These have a longer story board.  Remember
> also, I shot these images in only four days.  It took a lot of work just to get access..but that
> is another lesson:-)
> I cannot  tell you to drink..I can only provide the beverage.
> I am not saying that here I have provided the single picture that explains the whole..what i
> have shown you is a sample of a series I just started.
> I guess I am teaching patience here:-)
>
> Thanks for the heads up though:-)
> Ruddy
>
> > Don't forget, Ruddy, ... you were going to teach with your images. Since
> > they do not convey, right up front, your intentions ... we need to know
> > what you wanted to convey, to teach.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > At 14:41 17.03.2003 +0100, you wrote:
> > >>Chris,
> > >>Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
> > >>These teenagers are girls that I knew about before they were born
> > >>On a recent trip back to my city..I found them grown and working inside
> > >>strip clubs....
> > >>Not only that..they are the spectacle that allows other teenagers to
> > >>attend and "practice
> > >>sex" ..as in the other pics I did not post......the story is
> > >>there..personal and yet old.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And, the quality or otherwise of the pictures apart, how do find that, the
> > >work, the spectacle, the "practice sex"? Was there something _you_ wanted
> > >to convey? If yes, please give details.
> > >
> > >Chris (connaisseur of fine black and white photographic erotic art,
> > >wanting to learn something more)
> > >
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Christer Almqvist
> > >>Sent: 3/17/2003 1:28:31 AM
> > >>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > >>Subject: Re: [Leica] Ruddy Up and Showing:-)
> > >>
> > >>>  >The URL appears to be:
> > >>>  >
> > >>  > >http://www.leica-gallery.net/ruddy-roye/folder-4236.html
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >Ok, Ruddy, you made it.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >I'm not real hot on protest shots. They (not just yours) are news
> > >>>  >stuff ... that is, dated.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >I think you are on to a worthy theme with the stippers, depending
> > >>>  >upon how you handle it. Your text seems to imply that you do. It
> > >>>  >will take a lot of work to pull off tastefully (but we're not very
> > >>>  >tasteful here on the LUG, so don't let that tie you down :) :) ) and
> > >>>  >I'm sure you know as well as anyone else ... it could get touchy.
> > >>>
> > >>>  The girls: not beautiful, certainly not erotic and what is the
> > >>> message, if any?
> > >>>
> > >>>  Chris
> > >>>
> > >>>  >Thanks!
> > >>>  >Daniel
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >PS: Please, do not include a new subject line with the prefix "Re:".
> > >>>  >It sends some of us back looking for the original post, which isn't
> > >>>  >there.
> > >>>  >D
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >At 23:37 16.03.2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >>>  >>URL?
> > >>>  >>
> > >>>  >>
> > >>>  >>---  <leica-user@ispwest.com> wrote:
> > >>>  >>>  Hi Luggers
> > >>>  >>>  I do not know if I am on yet but I have been
> > >>>  >>>  plugging away at the gallery and I am hoping
> > >>>  >>>  that my pics are being displayed.  If they are
> > >>>  >>>  there..please give some comments...they are
> > >>>  >>>  my gallery trial pics.  I am hoping to send some
> > >>>  >>>  work when i get a hang of uploading and
> > >>>  >>>  stuff.
> > >>>  >>>  I do not know if I got the (c) copyright thingt down
> > >>>  >>>  either....I could take some help there.
> > >>>  >>>  I hope you-all like them..or think they are worth
> > >>>  >>>  photogs.
> > >>>  >>>
> > >>>  >>>  Ruddy
> > >>>  >>>
> > >>>  >>>  --
> > >>>  >>>  To unsubscribe, see
> > >>>  >>http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html
> > >>>  >>
> > >>>  >>
> > >>>  >>__________________________________________________
> > >>>  >>Do you Yahoo!?
> > >>>  >>Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online
> > >>>  >>http://webhosting.yahoo.com
> > >>>  >>--
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> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >--
> > >>>  >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  --
> > >>>  Christer Almqvist
> > >>>  D 20255 Hamburg and / or
> > >>>  F 50590 RegnÈville sur Mer
> > >>>
> > >>>  please look at my NEW  b+w pictures at:
> > >>> http://www.almqvist.net/chris/dozen/
> > >>  >
> > >>  > old pictures still at:     http://www.almqvist.net/chris/new
> > >>  > --
> > >>  > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Christer Almqvist
> > >D 20255 Hamburg and / or
> > >F 50590 Regnéville sur Mer
> > >
> > >please look at my NEW  b+w pictures
> > >at:    http://www.almqvist.net/chris/dozen/
> > >
> > >old pictures still at:     http://www.almqvist.net/chris/new
> > >--
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> >
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