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Subject: RE: [Leica] arggghhh... rant at Keeble & Shucat...
From: "Clive Moss" <chmphoto@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:00:37 -0500

Seems to me that the argument is based on multiple interpretations of the
same phrase. When Eric says "The focusing of a rangefinder camera becomes
more accurate at shorter focal lengths." -- I think he means "more accurate
than SLRs" -- which is true. If he means "more accurate in the sense of less
deviation from the exact distance" - clearly untrue - the rangefinder has no
way of changing its measured distance based on the focal length of the lens.
If he means "more accurate" in sense of "within acceptable limits", then he
is right. This is what using the ratio of base to focal length adjusts for
- -- which is simply another way of saying "covered by depth of field" - so
Karen is also right.
Peace to all.
- -- 
Clive
http://clive.moss.net

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Eric Welch
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:37 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] arggghhh... rant at Keeble & Shucat...


Sorry, Karen, but you are flat out wrong. There is no such thing as 
accuracy being covered by depth of field. Every lens has a focusing 
plane where the optical image is at its best, and even in the "cone of 
light" of the depth of field (based on the standards of the photo 
industry, that tends to be any part of the cone less than 1/30 of a 
milimeter) the sharpness falls off as you move away from that optimal 
plane of focus.

And the very FACT that at about 75mm to 90mm SLRs becomes more accurate 
in focusing than rangefinders is proof. This is a well-known fact, 
espeically amongst Leica folk, since we've debated this issue for 
decades (the debate being where the SRL becomes more accurate than the 
rangefinder). The focusing of a rangefinder camera becomes more 
accurate at shorter focal lengths. And it has NOTHING to do with depth 
of field. It has everything to do with basic optics and physics and the 
very principle of how rangefinders work. The wider the rangefinder 
base, the more accurate that rangefinder becomes. And the shorter the 
focal length, the wider the rangefinder base of a given camera becomes 
in proportion to the focal length.

These are just examples I pulled out of thin air, but the principle 
applies:

At 90mm, say the rangefinder base is 100mm. That's nearly a 1:1 
relationship. At 50mm, the relationship becomes 2:1, base to focal 
length. At 24mm that relationship becomes 4:1 base to focal length. 
It's clearly vastly more accurate in focusing at 24mm than it is at 
90mm, because the relative rangefinder base to the focal length is 4 
times larger. And it's THAT base that determines focusing accuracy.

You can argue that for most people that's not important because they 
shoot the "f/8 and be there" hyperfocal method. I only use that in 
riots and other fast-breaking news situations. Because that technique 
might end up putting the optimal focus plane far away from where I want 
it. But when you're shooting a 35mm Summilux ASPH vs ANY 35mm SLR with 
a 35mm lens at 1.4, the rangefinder is going to be clearly superior to 
the SLR. But at 90mm, the SLR  will be more accurate than a rangefinder 
camera at the same aperture.

Basic physics.

On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 06:49  AM, Karen Nakamura wrote:

> So the focusing *accuracy* of a rangefinder is constant, it's just 
> that that accuracy will be visible with certain lens combinations.

Eric Welch
Carlsbad, CA
http://www.jphotog.com

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