Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/15

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Subject: Re: [Leica] some new snaps, a propos
From: Eric Welch <eric@jphotog.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:16:14 -0800
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Good point Nathan. And yes, I was talking about the apprentice system, 
that's what Dean Collins was talking about.

The difference here is that functioning as a journalist must not be 
restricted in any way by a government. Of that is no free press. And I 
guess that's where my argument fell apart. I don't know if the 
apprentice system applies to journalists. And it certainly doesn't 
apply to "foreign" journalists.

And yes, I would argue that we have no independent judiciary for poor 
people. Plenty for the wealthy. Guess which ones get away with crimes 
more often? (I was married to a prosecuting attorney's right hand 
paralegal, so I learned a lot about the U.S. judicial system through 
her).

As for the other assertions, I was being sarcastic. In reality, in 
England, they have very strict libel laws that prevent plenty of 
information getting out. In France, the restrictions are much worse. 
Remember all of the backlash against photographing people in public 
after Princess Diana died?

Come on guys, let's get real. Some of you slam Americans as idiots 
without taste, and then yelp when we get angry and react with 
hyperbole.

Get some perspective! And knock off the personal attacks.

On Nov 14, 2003, at 10:40 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> You are probably referring to the German apprentice system, whereby all
> professions require some kind of diploma, whether plumber, doctor,
> photographer etc. Soo...since you cannot practice law in the US 
> without a
> license issued by the state, does it mean that the US had no 
> independent
> judiciary?

Eric Welch
Carlsbad, CA
http://www.jphotog.com

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad 
judgment. - Will Rogers

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