Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/24

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Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:08:17 -0800
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Mark

Absolutely correct in every way!  I was going to respond with essentially
the same words as yours.  I learned very early on, NEVER diffuse in
enlarging.  (unless you are enlarging a transparency onto direct positive
paper).

Jerry

Mark Rabiner wrote:

> sam wrote:
> >
> > You LUGers frightened me into being less than forthright. I jump in my
> > seat every time someone writes "Don't put junk in front of Leica glass"
> > (meaning a $59 B&W double-coated glass filter). So intimidated was I
> > that I omitted the specs of the photo in question. Not from dishonesty,
> > but from fear. The truth is much worse than any UV filter in front of
> > Leica glass:
> >
> > Camera: M6
> > Lens: 75mm CV
> >
> > (Not too bad yet, but...)
> >
> > Ilford Multigrade #4, pearl surface.
> >
> > Kodak Diffusing Disc #1 (circa 1912) used over the El-Nikkor enlarging
> > lens).
> >
> > Print was flatbed scanned to obtain an image for the net.
> >
> > The #1 disc really only lowers contrast; starting with disc #2 real
> > diffusing begins to take place.
> >
> > Sam S
> >
>
> With the 75 you'll probably miss your focus if you shoot wide open
> anyway and you'll get all the softness you need! And plenty of Bokeh
> with vital nutrients!
>
> Sam, diffusion of the enlarger spreads the darks into the lights.
> When you have it in front of your camera lens it spreads the whites out
> which is a nice happy thing although pretty much not in style.
> Having the darks spreading is like the evil stuff is coming out of the
> cracks. Bad vibes. Has a negative feeling to it. Plus you loose your
> grain structure. Not good.  It's not often done and most printers would
> advise to avoid it. You could pretty much call it a No No. As Maxwell
> Smart would say. But I did it once on a rough forehead of a girls
> portrait with a slightly dirty piece of saran wrap on a cloths hanger.
> For about a third of the total time of the exposure.
> But people have told me stuff like that and I've told them all to go
> screw themselves!
>
> I've replaced enlarger lenses which had gotten ever so slightly cloudy
> on the inside with a new fresh one (Nikons do that) and boy what a
> difference! Most would recommend the highest clarity possible in an
> enlarger lens. Ansel said if you don't dust off your lens you loose a
> grade of contrast! I'd call that a stretch. In an early photo series The
> Print book.
>
> Again if you really feel you need diffusion most would advise doing it
> in camera NOT enlarger.
>
> Mark Rabiner
>
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.rabinergroup.com
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