Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hello? Daniel? Where do you get the idea that this would be totally legal? You are confusing so many issues here I have no idea where to begin. But.. The fact that a journalist can be barred from your private property does not mean that you can violate laws on that property. Someone can be barred from a hotel if the hotel owner deems that they are 'disturbing' the guests. A reporter attempting to interview guests in the hotel could be thrown out on those very grounds. BUT...the hotel is governed by public accommodation laws - which hold that the owner cannot bar guests on the basis of their race, religion, or ethnic origin. So with all due respect, what I think is getting weirder and weirder by the moment is your twisting of all this. If you want to just tell us that your country is wonderful, and the U.S. sucks, go ahead and do so - but stop playing these silly games. B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Daniel Ridings Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:00 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested So ... access to the news is governed by access to money (private property). So I could open a mall in a suburb to Chicago, bar all non-white ethnic groups, and if I had enough sympathetic white customers (who would not let themselves be interviewed outside the mall) then this would be totally legal? Hmmm ... South Africa tried this for quite a while, but it didn't work in the long run. I still say wierd, and wierder for every minute. Daniel On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, B. D. Colen wrote: > Yes, a journalist WOULD have to get permission to interview people in > the mall IF the journalist was challenged by mall employees. Freedom > of the press does not give one the right to break laws; it gives one > the right to publish information one gathers. While police > departments, other local governmental authorities, and Congress, may > chose to give journalists certain privileges or rights, I'm unaware of > any immunity from trespassing laws. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Keith R. > Wessel > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:08 AM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested > > > > Let's say the mall in in a posh outer suburb but that there are > > communication lines with the inner-city scum so that they turn up at > > the mall and bother these beautiful people out in the burbs. So the > > owners of the private property start barring certain elements from > > their malls. They hurt the neighborhood, so to say. > > > > Now this would be news. Would the journalist have to go to the PR > > people of the mall and ask their permission to do an article on > > racial > > > discrimination at the mall? > > Excellent point. It begs the question as to whether we as a society > seek to exclude the undesirables. I think that has been done with > some success in India. We once had a "Great Society" movement in this > country to provide opportunity for the less privileged. > > I am somewhat troubled by the distinction between journalist and > documentarian. Do the wonderful photographs posted today by John > Beeching not provide an historical slice of life which deserves > respect equal to that of the breaking news journalist? > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html