Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/01/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]This is a follow-up to the post I sent a couple weeks ago and a thank you to everyone who offered help. Especially those of you who suggested the yahoo digital black and white print group; they are an amazingly knowledgable group, huh? To refresh: I was complaining about why the Epson 2200, touted as THE PRINTER for black and white photographers, sucked at printing black and white and why Epson didn't make ink that really printed black and white...not green, not magenta, not sepia. Woe was me. After some serious reading, researching and printing, I'm coming to terms with the fact that an Epson 2200 just doesn't do black and white so well with the Epson inks...at least not right now. Maybe one day they will make real black and gray inks but for now sepia seems to be the best we're going to get if using Epson ink. I'm not convinced that moving to a new ink set wouldn't cure my problem but there are so many inks out there with so many different people saying so many different things that it sort of becomes a blur after a bit. I'd love to get my hands on each ink set and have a go of trying it all out myself but that's exceptionally expensive if not impossible because then you find certain inks work best with certain papers, etc. To buy all the paper and all the ink it would take to find the best combination I'd be broke! I did do some tests with the matte black ink on Epson's matt black paper printing at 2880dpi and that was pretty darn impressive. Up to running that print I'd never printed on matte paper at all. It has a very lovely look and feel to it and for some of my work I'll be doing that combination for sure. There is a notable difference using 2880 dpi vs.1440 on the matte paper but not so much on the Ilford Pearl paper. Ilford Pearl...that brings me to my next subject. This is my paper of choice because it most mimicks what I use in the darkroom...the pearl rc paper...in both texture and weight. Some of the papers being used for digital printing are lovely to look at but they feel whimpy to the touch. I like a somewhat stout paper and the Ilford line is the one I've settled on both digitally and chemically. Maybe I'm being stubborn here and others would be lovely...I've just not found them. I've also read and spoken to photographers who have horror stories to share about the ink actually flaking off some of the matte papers if they aren't immediately hermetically sealed under glass. I over-exagerate but I think you get the idea...just because the ink goes on the matte paper, it doesn't appear that it always STAYS on the matte paper. There's a stress when you're printing a load of 8x10s or 11x14s for a client. So I'm getting more comfortable with the fact that the Epson is a good printer, can be configured to print black and white well but not with Epson ink and not with semi-gloss papers. It's kind of like buying a new Leica...it will shoot out of the box but to get it to do all the cool things you may want you have to buy additional accessories (90mm lens, viewfinder magnifier, wrist strap, 35mm lens, softie release, Noctilux, etc...) Oh, I've given up completely on trying for good black and white print using the full-color ink printing and now use black ink only to print. I've gone back and reprinted several of my images using the BO setting and they look nice...sepia, but nice. So, now what I wish is that Epson and many of the sites 'selling' (wishing, hoping, praying that this was THE black and white printer) were more honest in their assesment of its ability to give black and white out of the box. It just plain doesn't. I don't mind a nice sepia print...but I believe, as buyers embracing this technology, we should know before purchasing that in order to get a real, neutral, black and white print from the 2200 it's going to take an additional money investment. Lea Murphy Whiny Dog Press www.whinydogpress.com - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html