Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Now if they made it in the size of the old M5, they just might be able to fit a full frame sensor. S. Dimitrov > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> > Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:08:58 -0500 > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M > > Just a couple brief things - > I don't think anyone is happy with 1.5 - or 1.3 for that matter - Mark, > they're just stuck with it. ;-) I want to use my lenses at the focal > length they were designed as, not at some compromise focal length. > > Also, why is 30.5mm a "good place to be?" It is if you want a 30? It > isn't if you want to shoot with a 21, or a 28, or a 35 - it's a weird > place to be. One of the big problems with the idea of a Leica M that's > less than full frame is precisely the fact that there won't be any > lenses wider than 30.5 - unless one goes to the Cosina superwides, which > are terrific for what they are, but are hardly Leica 21 2.8 ASPHs, or > Summicron 28 ASPHs..... > > A digital M could probably make it with a multipication factor, but it > would hardly be ideal. > > B. D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Mark > Rabiner > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:07 PM > To: leica-users > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Digital M > > > On 2/8/04 12:04 PM, "LRZeitlin@aol.com" <LRZeitlin@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> The fact that the story stated that the sensor would use microlenses >> to correct the angle of the light rays hitting the extreme edges of >> the array indicates that they are trying to obtain a full frame >> result. On the Kodak sensor used in the digital R individual pixel >> elements are located at the bottom of shallow wells. The grazing angle > >> of light at the edges was the primary reason given >> for the "impossibility" of developing a digital M. >> >> Larry Z >> -- > I think the microlenses might help them go 1.3, not full frame. The > thing world look like a sea fish on the bottom of the ocean full frame. > The R system back will take us to 1.3 and that to me is above and beyond > the call of duty. > 1.5 has become a standard that people kind of like and are kind of > settled in on.. If they went 1.5 I'd be ok with it and I'm sure so would > they people with money who've not traded in their M systems for DSLR's > yet. > > At 1.5 magnification with my 21 ASPH gives me a 31.5mm focal length in > effect lens. That's halfway between a 28 and a 35. A pretty happy place > to be. I wonder how a compact non retrofocal Schneider super Angulon 3.5 > would work with these peripheral advanced sensors? A lot of Cosina 15's > will be sold and 12's even. But the need for an 18 will come up. Giving > you a 27 with a 1.5 mag. Or 23.4mm if they do go 1.3. > > Gee if this new microlens technology DOES make it possible to go full > frame on an M why not sneak it into the R back last minute. The already > claimed 10 mg file size is plenty ample and roomy and will end up not > even being used by many. It is already a close match up against the full > frame Canon Eos1ds which is 11.1. 1.1 megs is negligible. 10 against > 11.1 is a match. It would be the quality of the pixels that would make > the difference. Glass and a myriad of other factors. > > But if the R back can all of a sudden go full frame They could perhaps > jump up the max file size to leapfrog the full frame Canon by quite a > bit. But I think once you go over ten though you might as well think of > it as medium format photography done with 35mm style DSLR's. People sell > their Hasselblad systems for 1.5 mag DSLR systems. > > > Leica could very soon fool a lot of people and become quite competitive > quite fast. People will invest in their glass. Forsaking the totally > foreseeable autofocus, a minor feature when one considers everything > else which is going on in digital hardware, software and photography. > > As people zoom into their images on their monitor it may be that they > may become much more appreatitive of their glass. Appreciating glass as > a key factor in what they are studying and working with at 1600 X > magnification. Because it is. > > > Mark Rabiner > Photography > Portland, Oregon http://rabinergroup.com/Catagorypages/PersonalWork.html > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html