Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/01

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter
From: "Vick Ko" <vick.ko@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:42:00 -0500

Mark, I am concerned that you are having this much difficulty with this
matter.  I take risks buying on ebay, but I (so far) absolutely trust
the LUG members if I were ever to buy from one.

Have you taken this up with the police in the city that the person lives
in?

If this was a fraudulent sale, perhaps you can have the legal
authorities help.

By the way, I am curious to know what items are on the camera that
indicate that it is not an original black M3.  Is it possible for you to
share that with us?

Good luck with this.

regards,
Vick







- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Mark
Theken
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:12 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Cc: derleicaman@yahoo.com
Subject: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter


Dear Xxxxxxx:
It is disappointing that I have not received any
response from you following my numerous attempts to
bring resolution to my request for a refund for our
recent transaction.  Even my request for a sales
receipt has not been acknowledged by you.  
My email message to you this morning was returned
undelivered.  It is very difficult to understand why
an honest person acting in good faith would suddenly
close an email account and effectively eliminate that
avenue for communication.  The only remaining option
is to once again use the LUG as a bulletin board to
send a message you.  
As you know, I contacted you within 24 hours of
receiving the camera and expressed my concern that the condition of the
camera was possibly not original and as represented.  You offered
several explanations in your email message to me that followed.  Based
upon your long term association and reputation with the LUG, I requested
that you provide documentation of the independent verification you cited
in your earlier email message to me.  
In the delayed email message that followed,
<<from your message:  "Sorry for the long delay in
responding. I had several significant computer
problems since Sunday">> 
you admitted that you had nothing in writing and the
only verification of authenticity was in a past
telephone conversation with an unnamed person.  After
being delayed for several days due to your computer
problems, I began my attempt to seek independent
confirmation of the information you published in your
original LUG post which follows:
<<"Black Leica M3 #993xxx, 
guaranteed Wetzlar factory paint, $$$$
Please contact me directly for price and details.
Serious inquiries only".>>
At my request, 3 expert collectors and dealers
examined this camera alongside 2 known original black
paint M3 cameras and verified my suspicion that the M3
camera I purchased from you was not a original factory production camera
as described in your FS listing. 
They also indicated that the differences would be
difficult to ascertain by even the most knowledgeable
Leica experts.
It is my feeling that you made an unfortunate error in
your LUG FS listing.  I also my feeling it is in your
best interest to resolve the problem that resulted
immediately.  Members of both the LUG and the LHSA
have offered to intercede on your behalf.  I am
hopeful you will choose to resolve this matter in a
way that any member of the Leica community would
expect of you.  
Sincerely,
Mark Theken 









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