Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/10/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Now, you all have the wrong perspective. From a California point of view, we all know that Texas and New York are the moral corrupters of our moral fiber. S. Dimitrov > From: Kevin Argue <kargue@sympatico.ca> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:21:54 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cloud Cuckoo Land & Yankee Bashing > > Marc- I have read enough on the LUG about Americans that I am forced to > respond. I am a Canadian living 15 minutes from Niagara Falls and the US > border. That is the largest undefended border in the world between 2 > countries whose free trade makes them the largest trading partners. Yes > America, Canada is your largest trading partner-- not Japan or China. But > as > Canadians discover Americans know nothing about this side of the border. My > friends in Buffalo are prime examples. Worse when America makes trade deals > like NAFTA they turn on Canadians when we seem to have an advantage. Look > at > softwood lumber. Look at how many Americans were outraged when the Blue > Jays > were in the world series. Hillary Clinton blamed Canada for the great power > failure last summer. 911 terrorists were blamed on Canada even though they > entered the US legally and were trained in Florida. > You asked why the world hates America. Bin Laden, Saddam, Noreaga of Panama > and others were all supported by the US until America turned on them. Kerry > says in the debates about making some foreign policy on what the world > thinks, Bush says you make your own policy. Iraq- most of the world has > turned on you because of your decision to go to war and now you want them > to > take over. That's why the world is unhappy with Bush. > As for your reference to World War 2, Canada was fighting along with > Britain > long before you guys showed up. I didn't see the US airforce in the Battle > of Britain! More important, during the early years of WW2, German prisoners > were brought to Canada and in on famous escape the moment he crossed into > the US he was a free man!!! As for the end of the war how many nazis ended > up in the US? Have you heard of Werner von Braun? > It is the attitude of do as I say but don't do as I do that you live by. > This is what is turning the world against you. > One final note, my friend and former teacher teacher returned from 2 weeks > in Italy and talked about the graffiti every where they went-- f*** Bush! > > > > > Kevin Argue > Ontario near the US border > >> From: Marc James Small <msmall@infionline.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:11:34 -0400 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Cloud Cuckoo Land & Yankee Bashing >> >> At 04:39 PM 10/15/04 +0100, Beddoe, Neil wrote: >>> Sorry Buzz, you are just plain wrong. I do live in a utopian cloud cuckoo >>> land. Graham Battison has posted plenty of pictures of clouds to prove >>> it >>> and I'm sure I've got a picture of a cuckoo around somewhere. >> >> Actually, Buzz is dead on-target. Many Europeans, Australians, and >> Canadians regard the US as a suitable target for a cheap shot or three. >> Yes, our nations have different nterpretations of the role of government >> and of the role of individuals withhin society. >> >> None of that matters, I guess, at this remove. Still, if the British, >> Canadian, or Australian members of this List believe that the First or >> Second World Wars could have been won without the US contribution, you are >> quite possibly wrong. (World War I without the US would have led o a >> stalemate in 1919, despite the huge improvements in the British Army which >> made it the finest in the world by the later part of 1918. World War II >> without the US would have led to a Nazi Europe, a free UK, but a UK >> divested of Burma, Malaya, Saawak, and Bruei.) >> >> We are proud of our contributions to your freedoms and occasionally ask >> that you acknowledge your respect for US lives lost in defense of the >> French and British Empires. Several years back, a group of French >> hooligans defaced a US and UK cemetary in France. The French government >> has yet to acknowledge the problem or to offer an apology, but they did >> repair the damage posthaste. Sill, those in the US feel that the remains >> of our dead, who gave all they had to give in the liberation of France, >> are >> worth more than nazi crosses on their tombstones, and, yes, a French >> apology is certainly in order. >> >> Me? I am a rational anarchist and an isolationist. I am sorry that the >> US >> ever got involved in the World Wars and its later conflicts. But, then, I >> am also a retired military sort, so I feel a great regard for those who >> have died for this country. They do not deserve mistreatment and >> dishonor. >> >> Buzz is, again, quite right. Positive contributions are always welcome, >> of >> course -- suggestions from non-USians are always of interest. But >> dismissive attacks on US policy is neither helpful nor productive of sound >> relations between our respective natons. The US saved European butts in >> the First World War and we did far more in the Second. And then we spent >> the best years of our lives paying taxes to keep you Europans free of the >> Soviet menace. And, in the end, it was our national deficit which paid >> for >> your being freed from that Soviet threat. My grandson is due to be born >> in a month: he will pay for your liberation into his dotage, while you >> guys walk free. >> >> If I were a European, I would simply bow my head when an American passed >> by. We gave our all for your liberties for 75 years and now all we get >> is, >> "yeah, but what have you done for us lately?" >> >> Quit being greedy. Be grateful and be understanding. Hell, my Uncle >> Bill, >> a great person and a great influece on my life, suffered the indignity of >> having his ass shot up when he was at the third wave on D-Day. He then >> spent six weeks on his stomach in England before rejoining his unit, >> which, >> by then, had become a Civil GREG unit, burying dead civilian Frenchman. I >> never heard him say an unkind word about the French, even when de Gaulle >> insisted on gold payments from the US for its balance-of-payment debts. >> >> Grow up, Europeans, and act mature. >> >> Marc >> >> msmall@infionline.net FAX: +540/343-7315 >> Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information