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Subject: [Leica] Yet Another Sign of the Times
From: sethrosner at direcway.com (Seth Rosner)
Date: Mon Nov 15 07:39:40 2004
References: <20041114184300.94867.qmail@web51701.mail.yahoo.com> <4198BB33.2010303@triad.rr.com>

I just bought a beautiful Minox B, fully serviced, from Don Goldberg (DAG), 
kind of as a souvenir of times gone by. I bought one in Germany in the early 
60's and used it during the year + that I lived in Paris, mostly forsaking 
my Leica IIIf, 50/2 Summitar, 35mm Elmar and 127mm Wollensak.

Dan, now that you make me focus on today 's world,
 - anyone want to buy a gorgeous, fully serviced Minox?   ;-)

Seth         LaK 9

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Post" <dpost@triad.rr.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Yet Another Sign of the Times


> e.j. schlup wrote:
>
>>I was out in Kansas on a personal work
>>assignment (vacation)  and I got to meet the Patriot
>>Act face to face---three times! I was doing nothing
>>illegal and got hassled for the simple reason that I
>>had a camera in my hand. On the first occassion I was
>>walking from my car to my friends house in North
>>Kansas City, MO with my camera bag in my hand and a
>>few minutes later the police were at the door asking
>>all kinds of questions that were answered correctly.
>>The second time I was photographing a street scene in
>>Gypsum, KS in the middle of the day with my Leica and
>>a couple of box cameras. I left that area and went
>>over to photogrqaph a really great rundown flour mill
>>from the street and had to take time out to reload my
>>box cameras. The sheriff pulled up behind me lights
>>flashing. He walked up in all his badged glory and
>>asked me what I was doing? I had a front seat full of
>>cameras and told him I was loading my cameras. He got
>>a little cocky and asked for my ID which I complied
>>and stated that I was clean and he could run the car
>>to because it was clean. He came back a few minutes
>>later  and returned my ID and I gave him my business
>>card that states I am a photographer and it lists our
>>website. He wanted to know MORE about WHY I was there!
>>Told him I was working on my vacation and that seemed
>>to satisfy him and he left. The next time I was in
>>Wichita, KS with my friend and were were going around
>>photographing the wonderful regional architecture when
>>we were stopped AGAIN. This officer asked me what I
>>was doing? I told him that the building I was
>>photographing was an excellent piece of regional
>>architecture (it was!! really great!!) and that my
>>father inlaw was an architect, my wife was a portrait
>>artist.That seemed to do it for him. We were both run
>>through the computer, both clean. He was nice and then
>>directed us to some really beautiful buildings.
>>
>>Folks I live in Upstate NY and have never had anything
>>like that happen in any of my travels down south where
>>I go to the State of Mississippi frequently,
>>interesting? I told a friend of mine that produces a
>>radio show and travels all around the US what happened
>>to me. He said you were a victim of the Patriot Act
>>E.J. Several of his friends have suffered the same
>>indignities just because they had cameras and were
>>doing NOTHING illegal! Again interesting?
>>
>>Makes you wonder what is down the road for the people
>>that reside in the United States of America?
>>
>>Peace and Harmony, E.J. Schlup
>>
>>http://www.paintedblues.com/pages/562631/index.htm
>>
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> E.J.
> Well, with Ashcroft gone, we will find out. Either things will lighten up, 
> or they will try to tighten the grip- if it is the latter, I hope it makes 
> the news as often and as vociferously as the coverage of a couple of 
> relatively mundane murders that suddenly gained nationwide coverage. It is 
> hard to tell what will grab the national news' interest. We had a murder 
> case here a few years back- a dentist slashed his wifes throat, and nearly 
> decapitated his 2 year old daughter, and eventually got life with the 
> possibility of parole,yet! Then there was the businessman who poisoned his 
> wife, and continued to do so even while she lay dying in the hospital- but 
> he was only charged with second degree murder; apparently you don't have 
> to premeditate a poisoning! There are literally hundreds of murders a week 
> in this country, and even the ones of unusual nature are commonplace. I 
> don't see a lot of coverage of those- even of the horrendous murder of 
> three children by their mother who used duct tape to do it.... I didn't 
> even hear about a call for a five day waiting period to buy duct tape, 
> either!
> We hear a tad about the high cost of medical care, but a reliable source 
> in the AARP bulleting states that at least 98,000 people die every year 
> from mistakes made either by doctors or hospitals- and there is relatively 
> no outcry. We lose 2,800 in a terrorist attack and it's big news, and our 
> lives are changed; I would think that the senseless deaths of 98,000 would 
> cause an even greater furor.  Maybe that is the sign of the times- 
> spectacular makes the news.
> Perhaps all the LUGgers should start a grassroots effort to draw attention 
> to the ridiculous; we are subjected to searches before flying, but the 
> airlines are cautioned to never examine more than a couple of similarly 
> classified folks per flight or the FAA will get them for 'profiling'!
> The terrorist acts are not carried out by people with cameras! Even if you 
> are a middle eastern photographer, or a brown skinned person in general- 
> photographing something is not against the law. Gee! Heaven forbid if I am 
> caught photographing with my Minox!
> Dan
>
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