Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/25

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Subject: [Leica] The Horror, The Horror
From: bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Sat Sep 25 19:22:11 2004

The fact that there have always been secret horrors doesn't mean that
all the military - correction, specific individuals within the chain of
command - are guilty of is stupidity for making a photographic record of
said horrors.

Actually, many of history's most horrific acts were recorded in great
detail for posterity, because those committing the acts believed
themselves to be on the side of the angels. Consider, for example, the
Inquisition - there are voluminous, detailed records torture sessions;
consider the photos of lynching, with the killers grinning for the
camera; consider the anal retentive Third Reich; and on a far more
mundane plane, consider Richard Nixon's taping of his Watergate
conversations.

What's different this time is the technology - digital cameras that are
cheap enough for virtually every GI to carry, CD writers in laptops, and
the internet to transmit them around the world.

B. D.



-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Jeffery Smith
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 4:01 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] The Horror, The Horror


What is sort of ironic about this all is that the military (here and 
elsewhere) has done atrocious things to prisoners in previous years, but

they weren't so stupid as to make a permanent record of them and email
them 
around to show off. What the military is guilty of here is unbridled 
stupidity.

When I was watching an episode of "Victory at Sea" in the early 60's, I 
asked my father why a ship had a huge red cross on it. He replied that
it 
was a hospital ship, and the Japanese were not supposed to bomb it, but 
they did anyway. When I frowned, he said "We bombed their's too."

Jeffery


At 02:40 PM 5/28/2004, you wrote:
>Why not might be the most appropriate answer.
>
>But why? Let me see: because this is above all, a list of people who 
>are supposedly interested in things photographic; because the 
>presentation relates to the role of photography in the modern world; 
>because the presentation relates to how the uses of photography may or 
>may not reflect our social values; because it's interesting to read 
>varying viewpoints on issues on public importance.
>
>Oh, wait, Animal asked this question.
>Never mind - the presentation in question has nothing to do the with 
>ultimate resolving power of a lens, as measured by photographing 
>technical charts from a balloon suspended 1,000 feet in the air -
>
>So Simon, don't waste your time on it.
>
>
>B. D.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of

>animal
>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 3:17 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] The Horror, The Horror
>
>
>Why?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
>To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:11 PM
>Subject: [Leica] The Horror, The Horror
>
>
> > http://www.pixelpress.org/horror_text.html
> >
> > A MUST see....and read...
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> >
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