Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/25

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Subject: [Leica] New Noct images - A walk in the woods
From: bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Sat Sep 25 19:23:15 2004

Okay, since Clive said it first, I'll wade in.

Look at these images, and Joe's otherwise appealing snake sequence, I
want to throw-up; the bokeh is really, really disturbing, a bit like
looking through a bottle bottom on acid. I'm someone who normally
doesn't 'see' bokeh, and doesn't consider it particularly importance.
But this lens is the exception to that rule.

I can see using the Nocti when there's no other way to get the shot -
which means capturing images in near darkness, when even 1.4 at 1/15th
won't do the trick, or when you need a faster shutter speed, and the
Noct. Will allow you to go up  to 1/30th or 1/60th. But under those
circumstances, most of the image will be in deep shadow anyway, so the
bokeh isn't jarring.

But I just don't get the idea of using this lens in relatively normal to
normal light, when any number of other film and lens combinations will
do the trick. In both these posted cases, Mitch and Joe were using
relatively slow film. And Mitch had to shoot at 1/1000th to be able to
shoot at f1. Yes, it's nice to isolate the subject, but another lens at
f 1.4 or even f 2 would provide good isolation - without the smeary,
swirly, blurs.

Just my opinion - rarely humble, but usually honest. ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Clive Moss
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:29 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] New Noct images - A walk in the woods


On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:35:32 -0400, Mitch Zeissler
<mitch.zeissler@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Here are a few shots from a recent walk in the woods, including one 
> that shows how many cicadas some of the trees had:
> 
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1ssgc/Noct/Sugarloaf/index.htm
> MP; Noct; Portra 160NC @ EV 100; F/1.0@1/1000th & slower
...
I really like the pattern effect in the first one
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1ssgc/Noct/Sugarloaf/2004_06_12_sugarloaf_0
01.htm
but the Noctiblob in the lower right is distracting.
-- 
Clive
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Replies: Reply from mitch.zeissler at verizon.net (Mitch Zeissler) ([Leica] Responding to BD's venting about the Noct)
In reply to: Message from clive.moss at gmail.com (Clive Moss) ([Leica] New Noct images - A walk in the woods)