Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gene - I wasn't riled up at all - that's the damn problem with Email, and I did know you were kidding. I also know that there are other people who do think of me as some weird Leica-hating troll, which is why I made the statement I made. :-) As to conning the LW - When you figure that one out, let me know how to do it; not only doesn't removing all bits of plastic covering, etc., on new equipment work anymore - I get questions a year after acquiring a piece of new equipment about the "new equipment!" ;-) -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of grduprey@rockwellcollins.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:54 PM To: lug@leica-users.org Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) B. D. I don't think anyone on here thinks that you hate Leica. You would not be here if you did. So calm down, I was just kidding you a bit. I think all of us here would like to see Leica continue, just because they are the Little Guy in a Sea of Giants. However they are going to have to make some changes in they way they do business and also some huge jumps in advancing their products technology to compete in todays market to survive. I admit to finding the Nikon D70 very tempting, however none of my Nikon lenses (2) will work with its electronics/metering, so I would have to invest in a new set of lenses. The BOSS (She Who MUST Be Obeyed) gives me evil looks as it is already. I'm still trying to figure out how i can get a 24mm Elmarit for the M6 to take on the trip later this year. Every time I bring it up or look at the lens catalog, she starts looking at the drawer where she stores the Rolling Pin. ;-) I've even tried to convince her she needs the D70 to replace her aging CoolPix 990 to take on the trip - No Bites at all! ;-) I can just see the look she will give me when I tell her I want the Digital R Back and what it will cost. Actually, I will probably not survive. ;-) Gene |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> | | | Sent by: | | | lug-bounces+grduprey=rockwellcollins.com@leic| | | a-users.org | | | | | | | | | 07/20/2004 10:43 AM | | | Please respond to Leica Users Group | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------| | | | To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) | >----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------| All kidding aside - If a digital M was priced competitively with the Nikon and Canon pro-DSLRs and delivered equal or better results I'd sell my first, second, and third born to get it. No kidding. But call me crazy, I will not pay a $2000 premium for the same quality image with a red dot just to use my M lenses. As to film cameras, IF I was - or ever do again - shoot enough film to justify the investment, I would definitely consider selling my M6s to get M7s, for the AE and for the improved viewfinder. But given how very little film I am now shooting, I can't justify it. If you or anyone else sees me as someone who 'hates Leica,' doesn't think Leicas are good cameras, etc., you've pegged me incorrectly. I think the M is a terrific photographic tool, and believe that most of the current M lenses are the best available at their focal lengths. I just don't have any emotional investment in the brand name, the company, or it's future success - or future for that matter - any more than I do in the company that makes Webber barbecue grills even though I own a Webber. ;-) And, quite frankly, I think that anyone who buys Leica products simply because they ARE Leica and carry the name Leica is pretty damn foolish. :-) B. D. -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of grduprey@rockwellcollins.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:31 AM To: lug@leica-users.org Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) B. D. Come on now, we all know that you would not buy another Leica. Unless it was at least 10 years ahead of the competition, and selling at half the price of the competition! ;-) Gene |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> | | | Sent by: | | | lug-bounces+grduprey=rockwellcollins.com@leic| | | a-users.org | | | | | | | | | 07/20/2004 09:05 AM | | | Please respond to Leica Users Group | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------| | | | To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) | >----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------| Right. But we're not buying D-100s, we'd be buying Rd-1s...a new camera...I just want some price in the damn ball park of what the comparable cameras are, or were when they came out. Which is to say that there is no way in hell I will ever pay $5K for a Leica digital M body UNLESS it truly set a new standard for digital capture.... -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Dan C Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:00 AM To: Leica Users Group Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) But the D100 is NOT $2500 now. It's about $1900 CDN (< $1500 USD) as advertised at Henry's, and probably a bit less if you shop around. And the site where I dug up that price has a banner advertising a $200 price drop for the Canon 10D (now $1799.99 CAD). -dan c. At 09:17 AM 20-07-04 -0400, B. D. Colen wrote: >Agreed. $2500 would be doable - BUT - it has have image quality equal >to what's being produced by the D60, E-1, and better Nikons if it's >going to be more than something for play. And the images thus far >available do NOT meet that standard. Hopefully, by release time they >will. > >-----Original Message----- >From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org >[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of >Michael E. Berube >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:34 PM >To: lug@leica-users.org >Subject: Re: [Leica] Epson R-D1 price revealed (digest 408) > > >On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:46:04 -0700 (PDT), Photoethnographer Karen >Nakamura quoth unto the boundless Ether... >>But it looks unlikely that we'll get it for less than $2500 for the >>near future. > >A lot of us paid $2500 for the new Leica D100 when it came out. A >(mostly) manual body that has (close to) the same 6.1MP sensor but >takes my Leitz and Vogtlander glass doesn't seem too out of line. I'd >rather have >a >useable digital M body that I can use for work AND play than a new >'quaint but classic' MP or an video display only fixed lens digicam >with a tiny sensor that I can only really use for play. (Which is how >my only film cameras left...the >IIIc and M4P are now assigned.) > >I just hope that it becomes widely available here in the States at >whatever price and that it lives up to its promises. > >Be well, >Michael Eric Berube >GoodPhotos.com > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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