Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/06/04

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Subject: [Leica] Car Prices
From: creativevisions at verizon.net (Michael J Herring)
Date: Sat Jun 4 12:52:51 2005
References: <429F1F05.2090907@aol.com> <3.0.2.32.20050603204244.0200b028@pop.infionline.net> <00fc01c568d3$d66b6dc0$6401a8c0@ic7max3> <84D71BA0-2D4E-4C35-B597-C6FDB7279373@btinternet.com>

Hi Frank,
We are working on the quality issue. Unfortunately, I don't think we live
in
a time where we will ever see quality similar to the Leica M3. Nothing
will
be built to last a lifetime or more.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Car Prices


> Hi Mike,
> I think different cars appeal to different people. One thing I have
> noticed, as a long time Merc owner, is that Mercedes have had to  lower
> quality to keep their prices competitive with other brands,  some of
which
> have gained a good reputation by marketing despite  being very cheaply
> made.
>
> Another point about gearboxes. The Merc cars do not particularly suit
> manual gearboxes, they have foot parking brakes and their latest auto
> 'boxes give away no performance and little economy to the manuals.
BMW's
> OTOH are much better as manuals, firstly it suits a sporty car  well
> second the BMW autos kill the performance and economy.
> Frank
>
> On 4 Jun, 2005, at 08:05, Michael J Herring wrote:
>
>> I disagree entirely. I work for the company. I also enjoy driving
manual
>> transmission vehicles and have driven them for over 30 years.
>> Unfortunately,
>> Mercedes would be out of business if they only produced manual
>> transmission
>> vehicles for the people with sufficient income to own a Benz.
>> It is all about luxury and these folks do not want to have to shift  or
>> use
>> a
>> clutch.
>>
>> AND by the way, Mercedes-Benz could teach Leica an awful lot about
>> successful marketing strategies!
>>
>> Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marc James Small" <msmall@aya.yale.edu>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:42 PM
>> Subject: [Leica] Car Prices
>>
>>
>>
>>> At 08:26 PM 6/3/05 -0400, Michael J Herring wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't see Mercedes-Benz adopting this practice. They are quite
>>>> competitive
>>>> with the Japanese luxury car manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have this absolutely backwards.  The Japanese luxury-car
producers
>>>
>> (if
>>
>>> anyone here has ever driven or rode in one of these excesses to good
>>> taste,
>>> I suspect that we would all agree that these are only "luxury"  cars
by
>>> a
>>> gross extention of the term, but that is is a discussion for a
>>> different
>>> day) figure out the price point for Mercedes and then rig their own
>>>
>> prices
>>
>>> a tad under that level.  Mercedes pricing drives the market, for
>>> reasons
>>> which escape me:  who would pay that kind of money for an automatic
>>> transmission car?  Automatic transmissions are for the sort of  folks
>>> who
>>> ought not to be granted driving licenses.
>>>
>>> If Mercedes is seeking this market, I would suggest that they  produce
a
>>> market-entry $9,999 vessel for my welfare-class clients, all of  whom
>>> are
>>> riding about in rusted-out '76 Continentals and who are anxious to
>>>
>> upgrade
>>
>>> to a newer vehicle, the sole requirement being that they cannot  stay
>>> off
>>> drugs long enough to shift a gear.
>>>
>>> I'll stick with my '84 Audi 4000S.  There is one problem with this
car:
>>> you have to THINK while you operate it.  That really is a problem
with
>>> most
>>> USian drivers.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> msmall@aya.yale.edu
>>> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>>
>>> NEW FAX NUMBER:  +540-343-8505
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Replies: Reply from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Car Prices)
In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at aol.com (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Leica prices)
Message from msmall at aya.yale.edu (Marc James Small) ([Leica] Car Prices)
Message from creativevisions at verizon.net (Michael J Herring) ([Leica] Car Prices)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Car Prices)