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Subject: [Leica] RE: LUG Digest, Vol 31, Issue 174
From: bruce at ralgo.nl (bruce)
Date: Fri Jan 20 03:35:40 2006
References: <000f01c61d79$e1713960$3af1c547@Aubin>

Amen,

B.


On 20-jan-2006, at 5:27, Norm Aubin wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
>
> Thanks for asking.  I'm torn on this issue, and I must say up front  
> that I
> am not a purist of any stripe.  I do love where the digital  
> darkroom has
> taken us, and I do appreciate digital capture - I hope Leica  
> succeeds before
> they fade away.  You're also right, a good photograph is a good  
> photograph,
> and if this was a photograph mail list instead of a Leica Users  
> mail list
> there would be no issue (in my mind) at all.  I don't dispute your
> underlying assumption as to causality, but it strikes me that your  
> rationale
> for Off Topic discussions is saying that since Leica isn't up to  
> what we
> want, lets ignore Leica and mold this into some other interesting  
> topic.
>
> By way of background - I photograph in 35mm, 6x6 & 4x5, I like them  
> all,
> horse for courses, and love photography as an end unto itself.  It's
> ultimately about the image.  That's why I have learned to do platinum
> printing, daguerreotype, and now digital to compliment the analog  
> processes.
> My passion is architectural and landscape work - rocks and ferns as  
> Ted puts
> it.  Someday soon I will retire from the aerospace industry, quit  
> making
> weapons, and start making more art.
>
> I use the 35mm Leica M cameras; the lenses are arguably the finest  
> in the
> world, and the camera is such a wonderful tool to use in the  
> field.  Given
> the quality of the lenses, the films that can be used, the scanning  
> that can
> be done and the prints that can be made, I'm getting hard pressed  
> to justify
> my Rollei SL66 or my 4x5 much any more.  I also know that I haven't  
> mastered
> the use of this chosen set of photographic equipment, nor of this  
> art form.
>
> I am extremely interested in the work being done by folks like  
> Graham, using
> a rangefinder camera, because it shows me more of what is possible  
> with this
> camera system, as does the discussions about developers and papers,  
> scanning
> and printing.  Likewise, folks have tried using Leica lenses on  
> Canon bodies
> (the most practical option for Leica Digital), and in doing so they  
> give
> valuable insight as to how these lenses perform in this new and  
> evolving
> technology.  This is very informative, and I appreciate their  
> willingness to
> share.  It also gives us hope that when Leica goes full-blown  
> digital they
> will still set the high water mark for equipment performance.
>
> I am a beginner at this, even after 25 years of making photographs  
> - I am
> still a beginner at this.  There are seriously accomplished artists  
> here who
> have much to show and share, and who I learn from every time they  
> show their
> work.  Ted and Tina are the Patriarch and Matriarch in terms of  
> skills and
> sharing with instruction, although there are many more unsung  
> masters here
> as well.  I try and learn from each thing they share, and strive to  
> make my
> photographs better, while using my Leica equipment.
>
> I have very few images submitted, because as I see the work here, I  
> feel
> that I have to strive even harder before I am comfortable  
> presenting it.  I
> am inspired though, and that to me is the value - the exemplar  
> method is
> still the best.  When I have something to contribute, and time to  
> do so, I
> try to, because I want to make better images using Leica equipment,  
> and
> because I value the feed-back from those who look and comment.
>
> While there are many social conversations as well, as there should  
> be among
> friends, there are also serious moments when several of our own are in
> crisis, as Katrina showed us.  These are valuable discussions; they  
> are the
> sharing of like minded people who, while drawn together for other  
> reasons
> (Leica cameras), are concerned and involved as people.
>
> When or if I ever decide that there is some other tool set that is  
> more
> appropriate to that end, I will go find a like minded group of  
> people and
> join in the discussions with them about that equipment and images  
> made with
> that equipment (actually, I do in the large format area).  For now  
> I just
> keep gleaning useful and interesting information about using Leica  
> cameras
> to make great photographs.  I would like to be prolific enough, or  
> better
> yet, good enough, to offer more dialog and examples myself, and  
> someday that
> may happen.  For now I try and do what I can, and say thank you to  
> those who
> have things to share, and most of all - to those who have things to  
> share
> relative to using Leica equipment to make photographs.  I hope  
> someday to
> have as much to offer to others.
>
> Best of light,
> Norm
>
>
>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:56:40 +0100
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <nathan.wajsman@planet.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] re: fins and treadmills
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Message-ID: <43D00B18.6000006@planet.nl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>
>> A good photograph is a good photograph, and a poor photograph
>> is a poor photograph, regardless of the equipment. Yes, all
>> of us came to this list because we have an attachment to
>> Leica, but the reason why other brands have intruded on both
>> the discussion and the imagery posted is simply that Leica
>> has not produced any significant innovations in the past few
>> years, except the DMR--and there has been a fair amount of
>> discussion of that.
>>
>> As for Leica images being of special interest because they
>> are Leica images, how would you regard a photograph shot with
>> a Canon body and a Leica lens?
>>
>> Nathan
>
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