Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/02/02

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Subject: [Leica] The DM-R has landed!
From: bruce at ralgo.nl (bruce)
Date: Thu Feb 2 05:44:47 2006
References: <43DFFC5A.7000209@telus.net> <002201c626df$de7eeb20$2ee76c18@ted> <9b678e0602011734q5365b764m67a76cd0d1b973c9@mail.gmail.com> <002201c627b2$21e51100$2ee76c18@ted> <9b678e0602020526m7b9ca227w3435e2488d0f0507@mail.gmail.com>

Hear hear.

B.

On 2-feb-2006, at 14:26, Don Dory wrote:

> Ted,
> Your response is a good vehicle to rant about something that I have  
> been
> meaning to rant on for a long time.
>
> Specifically on two fronts it seems we have two related places  
> where there
> is a lot of futile disagreement.  First is the appropriateness of  
> tool.  We
> have arguments about this lens is sharper than that lens or this  
> body is
> insanely priced next to this perfectly usable but much less  
> expensive body.
> Whether you are a professional who makes her/his living with a tool  
> or an
> amateur who just enjoys the hobby/passion the decision on what to  
> budget for
> the pursuit of said endeavor is between you, SWAMBO, and your business
> manager.  Cost is a very situational thing.  If you are a recordist of
> weddings in those parts of Guatemala where Tina does her mission work,
> spending $1000 equivalent on camera gear would be foolhardy from a  
> return
> point of view.
>
> Likewise, unless you are at the very top of your profession,  
> showing up to
> tour with POTUS on Air Force One with only a Holga in your hand would
> quickly provide an invitation to get off the plane.  In the same vein,
> talking to Clay Blackmoor?, he had a 10 month ROI on thirty  
> thousand dollars
> spent on some very early Kodak digital bodies as it allowed him to  
> change
> his business model and vastly increase income from event photography.
>
> In summary, what is spent on the tools needed for the output  
> desired is best
> decided by the purchaser.
>
> The second area of ranting is the area of noise.  I think that this  
> is one
> of those things that is used to brand one camera over another with  
> little
> real appreciation for the actual impact.  One example would be B.D.  
> who is
> getting more than acceptable results from what is considered a  
> pretty noisy
> Olympus.  On the other hand some ascribe the Canon's performance at  
> high
> ISO's as too plastic.  Yet for years, the grainy gritty look of Tri- 
> X at
> 1600 was looked on with approval and thought of as "artistic".   
> Just about
> any camera with an 4/3 or larger sensor delivers more than acceptable
> results up to 800 ISO and possibly up to 1600.  I fondly remember the
> infantile comparisons of motor drive speeds in the late 60's, you  
> know, 3
> frames per second is so totally inadequate compared to my 3.5  
> frames per
> second.  My personal belief is that humans have an intrinsic need  
> to do the
> "mine is longer/bigger/faster than yours" comparison.
>
> The full summary of my rant is that the person using the tool  
> should be the
> one to determine if the tool does what they need to get done.   
> Crappy lens
> performance to one is riches to another.  Those Hamilton books  
> twenty/thirty
> years ago that made the photographer rich and adored are a perfect  
> example
> of one persons trash is another persons fine art and gravy train.
>
> Rant over, back to the saloon.
>
> Don
> don.dory@gmail.com
>
>
> On 2/1/06, Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm sure what happens on the list is, we have people who are damn  
>> fine
>> amateurs and those who earn their keep through photography, so this
>> creates
>> a completely different perspective in regard to what equipment  
>> delivers,
>> cost and their competition.
>>
>> ted
>>
>>
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Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] The DM-R has landed!)
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