Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/02/10

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Subject: Digital ISO, was Re: [Leica] I have given up
From: jonathan at openhealth.org (Jonathan Borden)
Date: Fri Feb 10 06:23:31 2006
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  Eric wrote:

> Jonathan:
>
>> In digital one can likewise underexpose until the image becomes
>> background noise. 5 stops up from this gives an "ISO" for which a
>> Zone 0 is background noise (pure black in the digital world).
>
> That's making the assumption that digital has exactly 10 stops from  
> pure
> black to pure white.  I'd say that assuming digital will behave  
> exactly like
> a negative is a faulty assumption, and comparing results from Canon  
> vs.
> Leica based on that is going to be a meaningless comparison.

No assumptions. This test is designed to hold shadow detail constant  
while measuring the effective speed of a sensor e.g. the DMR vs Canon.

I am not suggesting that working photographers need to do this --  
unless they are curious about which sensor to purchase and want a  
semi numerical way to compare different sensors. You need to  
understand how a digital sensor works in order to really understand  
why this might be useful, but just consider this akin to the "Zone  
System" which itself was designed to tailor different film emulsions  
(each having different characteristic curves) with different  
developer/time combinations (each having different characteristic  
curves) with different lighting conditions (each having a different  
lighting range).

Moreover I am not suggesting that this is necessarily a way to  
determine exposure for any given scene -- for that the histogram is a  
far better tool.

Regarding film vs. digital: both are fundamentally sensors that turn  
light/photons into something else -- indeed both sensors cause a  
change in an electron on receiving a photon. Both also have  
characteristic curves. One would not expect the characteristic curves  
to be identical.

Jonathan

In reply to: Message from feli2 at earthlink.net (feli) ([Leica] I have given up)
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Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] I have given up)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) ([Leica] I have given up)
Message from tim at kairosphoto.com (Tim Atherton) ([Leica] I have given up)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) ([Leica] I have given up)
Message from jonathan at openhealth.org (Jonathan Borden) (Digital ISO, was Re: [Leica] I have given up)
Message from ericm at pobox.com (Eric) (Digital ISO, was Re: [Leica] I have given up)