Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/03/14

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Subject: [Leica] Ricoh GR digital now Fuji F10, F11, F30
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Tue Mar 14 11:38:33 2006
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At 11:07 PM +0100 3/13/06, Didier Ludwig wrote:
>Feli
>
>I have searched for Fuji F11 sample shots and found some, see 
>http://tinyurl.com/pxbd7   Nice pictures at ISO 100 (like the macro 
>shot of the tin car), but I cant' agree the F11 delivers "cleaner" 
>images than the GRd. At high ISO it seems to be even the other way 
>round:
>
>F11 high ISO: http://tinyurl.com/lhf2y
>GR digital high ISO http://tinyurl.com/lbhfo
>
>But it's obsolete to discuss about high ISO noise with such small 
>sensors. They're all noisy. Just noise-ninja-it the pix and that's 
>it ;-)
>
>The F11 has no 28mm eq. focal length, only 36mm as widest. It's 
>definitely not in the same class of compact landscape and travel 
>shooters. As my M6/CV28mm became the combo I use most in alpine 
>environments, such a digicompact should cover this focal length for 
>me.
>
>Beside the GRd, there are not that many digicams with 28mm or lower 
>(fix or zoom). Come to my mind mostly cameras of Leica/Panasonic and 
>Ricoh, the Leica D-Lux 2, Lumix FX01 and LX1, and almost all Ricoh 
>caplio models. Canon has one model in this niche, the Powershot S80, 
>Nikon and most others none.
>
>Thanks for the infos anyway
>Didier
>

I haven't used the GRD nor the Fuji F11, but the Fuji F10 we have is 
excellent. My wife uses it mostly, and while I'm not crazy about the 
menu system, it's useable. Image quality is significantly better at 
high ISO than any other P&S I've tried; it produces as low or lower 
noise at 800 than the Canon P&S's produce at 200, and 1600 is very 
useable as well. If you are interested in producing 4x6 prints, you 
would likely never comment on the noise. Even 8x10 prints are very 
decent, and are well within its capabilities at 1600.

I assume the F30 has even better noise characteristics than the F10 
or 11, and would therefore become the preferred low light camera.

I too would like a wider view; a 3x zoom starting at 28mm equiv. 
would be great. Then you just have to add image stabilization and 
you'd have a killer product.

The Panasonics all have IS, but most of them have poorer noise 
characteristics than the Canons, and a lot worse than the Fuji's, 
which makes them unappealing.

The xD card thing is a nuisance, but the cards are getting cheap and 
fairly common, and about the same price per Mb as other formats.

-- 
    *            Henning J. Wulff
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