Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/03/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks, Steve - and as any 'old timers' know, I was quite free with that stick - simply because he wouldn't reveal his ties to Leica. I don't care who has what conflicts of interest, as long as they make them crystal clear so that we can consider them when judging what's written. So, incase anyone's been on Venus for the past three years, let me state once again - I am a member of the Olympus "Visionary" group - along with Alex Majoli, Eli Reed, Joel Meyerowitz, and a number of other photographers - and as such receive free digital equipment from Olympus. In return, I have agreed that I will not "endorse" any other manufacturer's digital equipment, but I have not agreed - and never would agree - to say anything about the Olympus equipment that I do not believe to be true. All of the above said - I agree with a number of the criticisms in the latest Dpreview review of the E330 - and in fact have already said many of the same things myself on this list: The reflex viewfinder is very small and dim; The "live view" LCD has not yet been fully-realized in that it does not show changes in exposure, or depth of field, and is very dim in low light; The noise levels are still above those of the Canon sensors, which have pretty much eliminated noise as a factor up to 1600 iso. However - I disagree vehemently with the assessment that images at 1600 are unusable - simply look at the ones I've posted; I find the look of the images at 800, and even 1600, to be extremely "film-like," as opposed to what I see as the excessively creamy look of the Canon images. When I was shooting film, if I had been bothered by grain/noise, I wouldn't have shot Tri-X, and I wouldn't have rated it at 800 most of the time; While the "live view" feature still needs development and improvement, it is a godsend for someone doing street photography or the kind of work I'm doing on the subway, and I'll take it at its present state of development - thank you very much! As Dpreview notes, the metering in the E330 is better than that in an previous Olympus, and I had no complaints about the metering in the E500 or E1. Clearly the development of the E-330 represents another step along the digital evolutionary highway. I look forward to seeing some of the E-330 features in the next iteration of the Olympus DSLR body, hopefully refined even further. What I find interesting about this latest review, however, is how much it reveals about the reviewer's photographic philosophical biases - as my responses reveal much about mine. He, for example, sees "live view" as a gimmick on an interchangeable lens body - probably because no current pro-body has it, while all the P&Ss do. I think that's extremely 'retro' thinking - the only reason digital DSLR bodies are configured as they are is because they are slightly modified film camera bodies. (Note Sonny's excitement about the traditional aperture adjustment ring on the Leica 4/3 zoom for the Panasonic - we love what we know...and that is NOT meant as an insult, dig, poke, or anything else, Sonny - it's just an observation :-) ) Is the "live view" really a gimmick? Imagine it - with the swivel LCD - on the back of the DLRS's being used by combat photographers - how many photographer's lives could that feature save at the same time it allowed those photographer's to still frame and get their shot? In the future the digital SLR will undoubtedly morph into something barely recognizable as what we now think of as a still camera. And why not? Other than the fact that they are both boxes to hold film, how much did the Leica O resemble those monster reflex cameras, or view cameras, that proceeded it? Keep in mind that young people coming into photography today are not coming into it from film - they are coming into it from early digital; and they are moving up to "pro" cameras from digital P&Ss, all of which have live-view screens, and are held, and shot with, in a radically different way from the way in which we old farts learned to hold and use cameras. Why shouldn't this generation expect a "live view" feature on digital SLR? Why shouldn't they be comfortable holding the camera out in front of their face as they compose on a screen? Times change, and expectations change as well. So is the E330 the camera for you? It all depends on what you use a camera for, and what you expect from your camera. Are there some things other cameras do better? Yes. But I'm certainly happy with the results it's giving me, despite its drawbacks. And I'd feel that way even if I had no connection to Olympus. B. D. On 3/19/06 4:59 AM, "Steve Unsworth" <lug@steveunsworth.co.uk> wrote: > Adam, personally I don't see that there's a problem as long as B.D. lets > people know that Olympus give him equipment. I think we are all intelligent > enough to draw our own conclusions about his neutrality and integrity. I > remember some of the stick Erwin got and it wasn't pretty. > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+lug=steveunsworth.co.uk@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+lug=steveunsworth.co.uk@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > Adam Bridge > Sent: 19 March 2006 06:01 > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Latest Lympa Log - Leica and Olympus E-330 > > Oh B. D. this really is unbecoming. You were GIVEN the Olympus. Post > the pictures and talk about how you like it and maybe how you don't - > but it's just so wrong for you to be all snotty about the competition. > This really is a situation in which you have given up some > credibility. > > Adam