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Subject: [Leica] film vs. digital in my brain.
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Fri Sep 29 13:34:28 2006

Simple, Philippe - one is a depiction of reality, other is a photographer's
'artistic' creation. And, yes, the fireman against the orange sky is far
more dramatic and 'heroic' if you will than the brownish sky.

There is, of course, the very real possibility that the sky was orange and
the sun was bright, and the photographer blew it. But if that's the case he
should have had to common sense - given his previous problems - to tell his
editor what happened, and turn in his RAW file and the jpg he had reworked.
Then it would have been the editor's call, rather than the photographer's
ass. ;-)


On 9/29/06 2:56 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:

> Tell me: what is the difference between a backlit fireman ladder
> against a brownish sky with dimmed sun and against an orange sky with
> brighter sun. Does it make those firemen more heroic? Would they be
> less heroic against the brownish sky? Would they be less fighting a
> fire against a brownish sky?
> 
> 
> 
> Op 29-sep-06, om 20:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> That depends upon what he "saw" prior to shooting, versus what the
>> objective
>> visual reality was, doesn't it?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/29/06 2:02 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is completely ridiculous. If the man saw the images that way
>>> when he shot them, and it didn't turn out as he had envisioned
>>> photographically, what is worng with this kind of manipulation? It
>>> does not alter the truth, does it?
>>> 
>>> Op 29-sep-06, om 12:50 heeft Tina Manley het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>> At 11:01 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote:
>>>>> What was the real story there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I sure didn't get it looking at the photo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ric
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?
>>>> vnu_content_id=1002914629
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick had had awards taken away before when he increased the
>>>> contrast in some photos to make them more dramatic.  This time he
>>>> boosted the color to match what he said he remembered but didn't
>>>> capture when he shot into the sun.  None of the changes affected
>>>> the meaning of the photos.  They were all alterations that could
>>>> have been made in the darkroom if he had been shooting film.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP, NPPA
>>>> http://www.tinamanley.com
>>>> 
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