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Subject: [Leica] ISO 2500 and another topic- chimping
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Wed Nov 15 07:56:09 2006

Thanks, Walt -but...
Anyway, when I think about it, I don't think I have ever put a Leica on a
tripod!:-)


On 11/15/06 9:48 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:

> You are far too accomplished to be insecure. Or maybe you are insecure
> because you are accomplished.. :-)  It is, however, a good thing you use
> Olympus gear. When you wrote "flash" I could picture St. Barnack coming
> at you with a pitchfork. =-O   As long as you don't put your Leicas on a
> tripod and really tempt fate.
> 
> Walt
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote:
> 
>> Well Walt, I admit that I tend toward chimping, as I've always been
>> tremendously insecure about my results and love instant feedback - but 
>> that
>> may have something to do with being seriously ADD;-). But being able to 
>> take
>> a quick 'peek' and knowing that everything's going well - particularly in
>> terms of flash exposure, is very nice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/15/06 9:29 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> B.D.
>>> 
>>> Result verification? That may work well for studio set-ups but I'd not
>>> consider it for event work. I've labored under the apparent
>>> misconception a rangefinder allows "chimping" on the run. No mirror
>>> blackout, shutter lag, etc. and what  you see you get. Verifying
>>> exposure either comes with experience or a light meter. I will admit
>>> your descriptive abilities are as usual, very picturesque. I can see
>>> someone testing you theory by handing an M8 to a chimp. ;-)
>>> 
>>> Walt
>>> 
>>> B. D. Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>>> Let's not confuse 'result verification' with "chimping." Result
>>>> verification
>>>> - the digital equivalent of being using a Polaroid to verify exposure,
>>>> etc.,
>>>> is one of the great advantages and joys of digital. The term "chimping"
>>>> refers to using a digital camera as a chimpanzee presumably would if you
>>>> handed it a digital camera - shoot, look;shoot, look; shoot, look, ad
>>>> infinitum - missing shots all the while.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/15/06 7:29 AM, "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>      
>>>> 
>>>>> Michiel:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>        
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't understand what's wrong with chimping.
>>>>>> I thought that this is the great advantage of digital, being able to
>>>>>> check your shot right away and correct if nescecary.
>>>>>> Oke, if you're doing a wedding or trying to nail down the desicieve
>>>>>> moment you should keep your eye on the vf.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I see nothing wrong with chimping.  Especially at a wedding or when 
>>>>> you're
>>>>> trying to nail a decisive moment.  Not during the peak action of 
>>>>> course,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it takes less than a second to look at the histogram every so often to
>>>>> make
>>>>> sure what you think you're recording is what you are recording.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll admit it.  I've gone from a dark building to bright sunshine, and
>>>>> forgot to change my ISO from 1600 back to 100.  After a few exposures
>>>>> outside, I glanced at the histogram and realized my mistake.  I'm sure 
>>>>> it
>>>>> won't be the last time, either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chiimping is a great way to break the ice with kids.  Even the most 
>>>>> camera
>>>>> shy kid likes to see pictures of himself, in my experience.  Right 
>>>>> before
>>>>> I
>>>>> started moving to digital and when I was still using entirely film, a 4
>>>>> year
>>>>> old I was shooting had a hard time believing she couldn't see the 
>>>>> results
>>>>> right away.  After a few shots, she asked if she could see them on the
>>>>> camera.  :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't use a hand held light meter before every single shot.  Nor do I
>>>>> chimp after every shot.  Chimping is just one more tool that's 
>>>>> available.
>>>>> Like all tools, there is potential to use it both to your advantage or
>>>>> disadvantage.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> http://canid.com/
>>>>> 
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