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Subject: [Leica] lurker speaks re: High ISO thread
From: ricc at mindspring.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Sun Dec 10 16:03:03 2006
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20061210152912.00b9cec0@mail.2alpha.com>

You make sense, Peter.

Such defusing of posturing hot air has no place on the Internet!

;^)

Ric


On Dec 10, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Peter Klein wrote:

> Leica never said any such thing.  But there is a body of Internet  
> noise out there, to the effect that unless the M8 was significantly  
> superior to the 5D or IDS Mk II in all aspects, especially ISO 1600  
> and 3200 noise performance, that the M8 and Leica did not deserve  
> to exist, and should deservedly go down in flames to the derision  
> of digiterati everywhere.
>
> If this is the case, why are Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, etc.  
> allowed to exist?
>
> The whole idea is, quite frankly, bovine effluent. It's a  
> combination of anti-Leica reverse-elitism and the hegemony of Canon  
> marketing.  Whether the M8 is suitable for one's style of  
> photography or too expensive for your budget is another matter.   
> But a rangefinder is not an SLR, the Canon look is not the be-all  
> and end-all of aesthetics, and a camera optimized for resolution  
> with a body of existing, wonderful optics deserves better than it's  
> been getting in some quarters.
>
> If the M8 were being marketed as an all-around picture-taking tool  
> for the masses, such comparisons might carry a bit more weight.   
> But there are reasons to take a small, light, nimble camera with  
> fast lenses that focus where *you* tell them to, over much bigger,  
> heavier, (acoustically) noisier machines that don't do wide angles  
> so well.
>
> Canons are fine machines.  So is the M8, for different reasons.  If  
> people want to talk about the relative merits of various design  
> choices with respect to various kinds of photography, fine.  But  
> this "Leica should die because the 5D has less noise at ISO 3200"  
> is just plain dumb.
>
> --Peter
>
>> As far as I know Leica made no such claim.  I think this was a  
>> wish of some one hee ar on another list.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Robert Jagitsch"  
>> <robert.jagitsch@gmail.com>: --------------
>>
>>
>> > Lastly, I would like to see where the factory claimed that ISO 2500
>> > performance would be equal to Canon 5D performance at ISO 3200.  
>> What
>> > did the factory claim, can someone point me to it?
>
>
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In reply to: Message from pklein at 2alpha.net (Peter Klein) ([Leica] lurker speaks re: High ISO thread)