Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gene, Thats fine. Lets agree to disagree and lay this thread to rest. Cheers Jayanand On 1/12/07, grduprey@mchsi.com <grduprey@mchsi.com> wrote: > > Jayanand, > > Why is the M8 any more extravagant than the rest of the Leica > equipment? It still serves the same purpose, and not really that much more > expensive than a MP or R9 etc. It is still less expensive than a Canon 1Ds > MKII. You have also put this reasoning on other Leica equipment before, so > this is not new for you either. And yes some of my Leica gear has been > bought new, and I hope to add a M8 and at least one WA lens before I > retire. > > To the rest of the LUG, sorry for this, and I promise no more. > > Gene > > -------------- Original message from "Jayanand Govindaraj" < > jayanand@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > As usual, Gene, you fly off the handle. I only meant it with the M8 with > its > > limited lifespan - I have made the point time and again that the > mechanical > > Leicas are well worth the money considering the life of the product. > Also > > understand that I study companies for a living, and that includes > marketing > > strategies, and I have been doing this sort of thing one way or another > for > > 30+ years. I still cannot understand how Leica will make money on the M8 > > unless they make it a trendy item to own, like, say, the Ipod. I do not > > think that many photographers will spend US$5000 on the M8 when a D200 > or a > > 5D are available at the price they are. I think Leica realise it too and > > hence their choice of media in which to advertise. > > > > By the way, how many Leica items have you bought new, to directly help > the > > company? > > > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > > > > > On 1/12/07, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > > Jayanand, > > > > > > You are the only one here who has equated buying Leias and other items > of > > > similar value being extravagant, so I guess you should try to answer > your > > > own question. My guess is that the other 90%+ of us buy and use Leicas > > > because they serve our purpose for photography better than other > solutions. > > > > > > Sorry for the rant Brian, > > > > > > Gene > > > > > > -------------- Original message from "Jayanand Govindaraj" < > > > jayanand@gmail.com>: -------------- > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand why people equate a Leica with extravagance and > try > > > and > > > > defend their right to buy it - no one denies that you have that > right. A > > > M6 > > > > will last you as long as film is available - it is probably a value > pick > > > > over the long term. I use pens and mechanical watches which are > > > expensive, > > > > but will last a lifetime. > > > > > > > > I was talking about the M8 - I would guess that with the life of > digital > > > at > > > > around 3 years, Leica would have to make it trendy to make money > with > > > it, as > > > > I do not think too many photographers will shell out US$5000 for it > > > (though > > > > for the good of the company I sincerely hope so). Anyway the jury's > out > > > on > > > > this one. Lets wait and see. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Jayanand > > > > > > > > On 1/11/07, Sanjay Nasta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just struggled with the decision (whether to buy a car such as > the > > > > > Honda Accord or a Porsche). You're right. A Honda is practical, > > > > > comfortable, safe, and reliable and will get you from point A to > point > > > B > > > > > perfectly and frankly a Honda Element will do it heck of a lot > more > > > > > practically than a Porsche--I had a Honda S2000 for 7 years (still > > > have > > > > > it but will probably sell it). Although there was a small bit of > > > > > wanting a car that not everyone else had, it just came down to > which > > > car > > > > > made my heart beat faster; which car made me happier. > > > > > > > > > > I'd promised myself a new car 3 years ago when I was in the > hospital > > > and > > > > > the heart surgeon told me that my right artery was blocked and my > > > > > prognosis was not good (talk about ruining lunch)--fortunately he > was > > > > > wrong (that artery was not blocked). After 18 years of running a > > > > > business I decided to treat myself. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, I bought a Leica M6 because I liked how it felt in my > hands > > > > > and how it felt when I put it up to my eye (yep felt, no concrete > > > > > measure). > > > > > > > > > > I think each of us has different reasons for buying the toys we > do. > > > > > Heck I'm even willing to concede that there are cameras and cars > that > > > > > might perform better (by some measure) than the ones I choose. > > > > > > > > > > I truly haven't figured out what "arrived" means I always feel I > have > > > > > more to do and learn and frankly feeling that one has "arrived" > > > > > somewhere seems to indicate that one is done). > > > > > > > > > > Oh this is the car that I ended up buying (wife picked the color, > > > ain't > > > > > she cool) > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yn6v6h > > > > > > > > > > (picture's from the Porsche site, I haven't had time to get a > decent > > > > > picture of the thing yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > > > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:56:44 +0530 > > > > > From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" > > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] M8 Article in LFI > > > > > To: "Leica Users Group" > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > <3cad89990701102026l4eca6978v35be2e405048790b@mail.gmail.com> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > > > > > Mehrdad, > > > > > People buy a Rolex/Porsche etc to announce to the world that they > have > > > > > arrived. Otherwise they use Timex/Toyota (or whatever). I notice > that > > > > > Leica > > > > > has stepped up advertising for the M8 considerably in magazines > like > > > > > GQ/Esquire/Mens Vogue, rather than photography magazines, with > slick > > > > > arty > > > > > ads. Which market do you think they are after? > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Jayanand > > > > > > > > > > On 1/11/07, mehrdad wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > B.D. i think you are more stuck in the name and in particular > this > > > > > > "leica name " every time there is a praise of a leica something > you > > > > > > go off thinking that everybody is under some sort spell and the > > > magic > > > > > > red dot makes people say good things. > > > > > > > > > > > > i shoot with more camera brands and lenses than anybody i know ( > i > > > > > > love gadgets), and so far i have been very pleased with the > images > > > > > > from the M8. i have also been shooting with the pentax k10d and > some > > > > > > the pentax prime lenses; oh boy this might be one the best. i > have > > > > > > recently bought couple of sigma lenses for in the 4/3 mount and > the > > > > > > results have been stunning also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Price is very deceiving these days, both a $20 times and $20k > rolex > > > > > > tell the time and both very accurate, why do some people buy a > > > rolex? > > > > > > the same is true about honda element (my favorite car) and a > Porsche > > > > > > turbo, both take you place one costs 9 times more. i think price > > > these > > > > > > days is more of a differentiator of class and not quality any > more. > > > by > > > > > > the way canon g7 is just awesome and in this list i talk about > > > mostly > > > > > > about leica. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/10/07, B. 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