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Subject: [Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sat Nov 3 06:49:26 2007
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Hi Luis,

I have a feeling the Rigid you have is a slightly different formula  
then the DR.

My collapsable has an infinity lock button and a ser# of 121xxxx.
My DR has no infinity button or tab. ser# 147xxxx.
My Rigid has an infinity tab like the collapsable. ser# 160xxxx. This  
should be the same formula as the DR.

The type 1 Rigid and DR only came in chrome.
The type 2 Rigid only came in black, ser# 2268xxxx - 2995xxxx. I have  
been looking for a good sample of this one.
The type 3 Rigid came in chrome or black and is above ser# 2995xxxx.  
The lens hood is not built in.
The type 4 or current model came in chrome and black and has the  
built in lens hood.
Type 2 and 3 may have focusing tabs, I'm not sure.
Type 3 and 4 have the same lens formula.
Type 1, 2 and 3/4 have different lens formulas, and a different look.

All of these lenses have differences in either resolution or  
contrast, however all of them are superb lenses.

Regards,
Len





On Nov 3, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:

> Len, Vick
>
> I'm allways interested by the comments about the Summicron DR,  
> AFAIK I think
> that the qualities of this one are exactly the same as the "Rigid".  
> Some
> time ago I had a Rigid Summicron I've sold it because it has some  
> fungus and
> haze, just one year ago I was wondering and remembering the  
> smoothness of
> this lens and I've bought a Summicron Collapsible and a Summitar.
>
> IMO the Rigid was slighltly different and better, it gaves a certain
> smoothnes, and a great wide range of grey tones. Time to time I'm  
> still
> thinking to buy a Rigid again to increase my 50 collection (no so  
> big as the
> one of Jeffery), but I'm not decided because the difference will be  
> no very
> big, on the other hand the Collapsible is a nice toy to carry  
> allways the
> camera, and finally, for me (I had an accident on my left hand many  
> years
> ago) the Rigid is more usable because it is tabbed and as said I  
> think it
> gives the same quality as the DR, could you give me your opinion on  
> this
> aspect?
>
> What I can say in favour of the Rigid is that the pictures I've  
> obtained
> with it with favorable light conditions for it (not back light) was  
> uniques.
>
> Thanks,
> Saludos cordiales
> Luis
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En  
> nombre de
> Vick Ko
> Enviado el: s?bado, 03 de noviembre de 2007 12:57
> Para: 'Leica Users Group'
> Asunto: RE: [Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount
>
> Ah, thank you for the advice and the recommendation on the lens.
>
> I love my DR lens.  That one will go with me and into my estate.
>
> Okay, so I still think a call to Don Goldberg will turn up the part  
> for you.
> Or Sherry Krauter.  Or buy a cheap one off the 'bay and sacrifice it.
>
> regards
> Vick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Leonard Taupier
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:05 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount
>
> Hi Vick,
>
> I only have the bayonet collapsible Summicron and find it much  
> softer wide
> open then the DR and Rigid versions. I would expect the LTM version  
> to be
> about the same. I keep wondering if I have a bad one
> though since my Summitar is much better.   The DR has the highest
> resolution of any 50mm lens that I own, better then the current  
> version.
> However the contrast is lower then the current versions which look  
> sharper.
> To me that's what gives the DR's that special look. The collapsible  
> is lower
> contrast yet. I use all of my LTM lenses on my M bodies including  
> the M8.
> Don't get rid of yours. You can't get the same look from another  
> lens using
> PS.
>
> Len
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Vick Ko wrote:
>
>>  Hmmm
>>
>> Would you get the same "look" from the thread mount but collapsible
>> Summicron, and use the Bayonet to LTM adapter?
>>
>> I've been hanging on to one of those for a long time.
>>
>> regards
>> Vick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> Leonard Taupier
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:19 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I had the same feeling as you did. I love the look of the DR and
>> really wanted it to work on the M8. I couldn't find a junker like  
>> what
>> you're looking for so I bought a BGN from KEH. I paid a little more
>> then what I wanted to but when I got it it was beautiful. It works
>> exactly the way I want. Now I'm happy. I've also noticed that since
>> the M8 came out there are a lot of DR's for sale now, and very few
>> chrome rigids. The price should start coming down.
>>
>> Good Luck.
>> Len
>>
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Replies: Reply from jbcollier at shaw.ca (John Collier) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Reply from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
In reply to: Message from pklein at 2alpha.net (Peter Klein) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Message from len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Message from vick.ko at sympatico.ca (Vick Ko) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Message from len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Message from vick.ko at sympatico.ca (Vick Ko) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)
Message from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll) ([Leica] WTB: DR or Rigid Summicron mount)