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Subject: [Leica] Which HP or Canon
From: abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge)
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:44:11 2007
References: <4737A7B0.6010209@waltjohnson.com> <C35D2EB2.7517B%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Gee...New York has REALLY gone to your head, Mark. SHAME on you.

But now that you're a part of the elite and know that no serious work
at all is EVER done on ANYTHING but Epson printers well I guess it's
you and B.D. now.

Sheesh.

On Nov 11, 2007 8:12 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> > Ernie
> >
> > I had one major question regarding a switch to HP or Canon.....I only
> > want black ink on my b&w prints. (black pigment ink). It seems as if the
> > HP B9180 will let one print b&w without using color inks. Even the Epson
> > 2400 uses color inks in doing monochrome and to me that's a minus.
> >
> > Will let you know how my new HP does as soon as I have 500 discretionary
> > dollars to spend. :-)     One thing, for all the died in the wool Epson
> > users. If I could offer a piece of advice? /*BUY */a chip resetter from
> > MIS and when your machine tells you the ink carts are empty, reset them.
> > Can't tell you how many times I've printed for a few more days on empty
> > cartridges. Epson managed to lose a lawsuit over that little bit of
> > consumer screwing.
> >
> > Walt
>
> Yes but little work of consequence is being done on non Epson printers and
> ESPECAILLY in the black and white area. Results from Non Epson printers
> could even be considered "suspect".
> I am printing as we speak (I'll move the microphone over there) here the
> crunching sound?
> And getting better images than I've ever gotten before with any printing
> process I've ever done. Using 3800 with Epson UltraChrome color inks 
> there's
> three grays in there. The color inks in there serve you well.
> Black and white in the darkroom was never black and white.
> It was all about print color. You fine tuned it any number of ways.
> The paper and developer and dilution you chose and the time in the soup and
> selenium and gold toners.
> A "green Print" never stood a chance on a gallery wall.
>
> My set design teacher taught me black pigment was cheap and unreliable.
> The best way to get black was to mix the primary colors. Use real paint.
> Black in the world of pigment is "all colors".
>
> In the world of light by the way its "no colors".
>
> I've printed with CIS Quadtone MIS inks the UltraChrome Epson pigments I'm
> doing now looks about 7 times better.
>
> HP and Canon printers are for people totally out of the loop in the world 
> of
> serious quality inkjet printing. People who haven't bother to check things
> out in the real world of printing and who apparently don't know anybody.
> Its not like there's no internet. This stuff can be easily checked out.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> markrabiner.com
>
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