Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/12/21

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: New look
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Fri Dec 21 18:04:23 2007
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At 08:09 PM 12/21/2007, you wrote:
>On Dec 21, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>it is not your images that need to be improved.......
>
>We'd probably all agree on that.
>
>Yet, another pressing issue came up under this banner.
>How does a working photographer with thousands of wonderful images
>actually turn that work into measured value in the form of $$$?
>Hopefully without resorting to tricks, decorations, bells and whistles?
>George Lottermoser
>george@imagist.com


George-

These days it's more difficult than you could possibly imagine, with 
everybody and his brother who has a digital camera giving their 
photos away for free to see their name in print.  All of the Citizen 
Journalists and all of the newspapers and TV news shows asking for 
free photos are totally ruining the market for anybody trying to be a 
professional photographer, since conglomerate publishers will go for 
the cheapest photo that is "good enough".  The only avenue is to have 
something different, something that most part-time photographers are 
not able or willing to do.  I do have plenty of those photos in very 
difficult, remote places but the problem is that they fit the 
editorial market.  Editorial photography has always made much, much 
less than commercial photography.  Photojournalism is not an option 
anymore since newspapers don't have to pay for cell phone photos that 
are "good enough" for newspaper and web publication.  They are 
inundated with people offering their photos for nothing.

I am totally not interested in setting up a studio with lights and 
backdrops and hiring models to do posed "lifestyle" commercial 
photography.  What's left?  Documentary photography - for which there 
is no market.  Magazines like Life are gone.  Websites want to use 
the photos for free and offer to give you "valuable exposure" instead 
of payment.  Exposure for what?  Nobody is buying anything.  I'm 
still selling a lot of photos to textbooks and some magazines but the 
prices have dropped drastically and the usage has expanded 
greatly.  Just for example:  for 25 years I've sold photos for 
textbooks routinely for $500 for half a page with one year's 
use.  Every year the same publishers would come back to me to use the 
same photos again in their newest edition, paying another 
$500.  These days the publishers pay $125, if you are lucky, for half 
a page, ten years use, with web use included.  That's the result of 
royalty free versus rights managed leasing, not to even mention 
micro-stock which pays the photographer in pennies instead of dollars.

If you are in photography for the love of it, as I am, but you make 
your living at something else, which I don't, you are very lucky 
these days!!   I would not advise anybody to enter photography as a 
career these days.  I've spent the last five years trying to talk my 
daughter out of it!!!!

Sorry to be so glum, but it's been very discouraging.  I'm involved 
in a dispute with National Geographic who offered one of my photos on 
their website as wall paper for free downloads.   Alamy says it's a 
legitimate Rights Managed use and I disagree.  They didn't even 
report the sale to Alamy for months after they put the photo up for 
anybody and everybody to download for free.  You really have to watch 
out and search the web for cheaters, but I never suspected the 
National Geographic!! :-(   Bah, humbug!

Tina

Tina Manley
ASMP, NPPA, EP, PI
http://www.tinamanley.com 


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