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Subject: [Leica] It's a film camera! Rangefinder at that!
From: jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Sat Feb 2 09:28:57 2008
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Daniel,

Coupled RF's have been around for years on folders.  The old 4x5 Speed 
Graphics had coupled Kalart RFs that connected to the focusing bed by a 
folding arm.  As I recall, the Retina series of 35mm folders were also 
coupled.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Ridings" <dlridings@gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] It's a film camera! Rangefinder at that!


> On Feb 2, 2008 8:55 AM, G Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> The linkage to the front, which looks to be relatively flimsy, I assumed 
>> was just for retraction as on the folders I have here.
>
> Yes, it does look flimsy and that is what suggests, for me, that it is
> a rangefinder part rather than a part that is intended to lock and
> stabilize the extended lens.
>
> I'm
>> struggling to imagine how the coupled rangefinder you mention works. Do 
>> you have a model number I can search on for one of the
>> originals?
>
> I think you can go after the Makina Plaubels. They'd probably be the
> easiest to find descriptions of.
>
> You can't see it unless you know what you are looking at:
>
> http://www.rus-camera.com/camera.php?page=other&camera=iskra
>
> But on the Iskra, with the camera in your hands ready to use, at the
> bottom left is an arm that goes back to the rangefinder. But you can't
> really see all of it, just a part that sticks out, because it goes
> under the bellows instead of over.
>
> I hope they don't waste money on developing "A" exposure for this. A
> reliable shutter and aperture is enough.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>> Regarding the metering, look at the dial on top nearest the viewfinder. 
>> It looks to have provision for ISO rating and also an A
>> setting? A leaf shutter, as you say, ruins my TTL theory. Any non TTL 
>> metering implies a linkage, fascinating.
>> Off this topic, I note Fuji's choice in very Nordic Booth babes in the 
>> article! Oh and no less than three new DSLRs from Sony.
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>>
>> Daniel Ridings
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 17:30
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] It's a film camera! Rangefinder at that!
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2008 8:22 AM, G Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> > Richard, I hadn't looked closely enough. It is a rangefinder! I see no
>> > possible way this could be linked to the (tabbed) focus ring with a 
>> > folding bellows in between.
>>
>> You see that stabilizing arm extending from the body out to the lens 
>> head? It might be able to slide in and out, thus pushing a
>> rangefinder mechanism here and there.
>>
>> > The old originals of course were just focussed by guess applied to the
>> > focus ring distance scale manually.
>>
>> No, the Agfa's (later a Commie Iskra model), Zeiss-Ikon's and others had 
>> coupled rangefinders.
>>
>>
>> > For exposure control I would guess that the lens is set exactly as per
>> > an M, then the shutter speed is adjusted via the dial on top (complete 
>> > with A setting). An Auto setting implies that the metering
>> is TTL!
>>
>> Who needs an exposure meter on one of these? I doubt seriously that it 
>> can be TTL. That would be assuming it has a focal plane
>> shutter and it obviously has a leaf shutter. They open and close when you 
>> take the shot, so they are not letting any light through
>> until then. It would be over-kill to have TTL with such a mechanism.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
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