Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I have no idea if the S system will work out, what with rumours swirling around about Nikon releasing something into that space - and then is that is true, Canon can hardly be very far behind. In that case, I fear that Leica is between a rock and a hard place. Cheers Jayanand On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Steve, I know that R users felt disappointed at Photokina. I think that it > was a case of finite resources and Dr Kaufmann committed to bring the S > system to market. Very much high end, I agree, but then this is Leica. > Leica > has committed to the R10, "aber die R10 kommt" :-) As to whether a new R > system will be affordable, do you expect to see something competing with > say > Nikon or Canon or a premium quality Leica system for the discerning? My > view > is that trying compete directly would be unwise and unsuccessful. In any > event, that is pure speculation on my part and I won't comment further. > This > all arose from my partial quote, which I thought did give fans of a new R > system some encouragement. Back to posting pictures. My last two sunk > without trace! > > > Cheers > Geoff > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman <lug-bounces%2Bhoppyman>=bigpond.net.au@ > leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > Steve Barbour > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 03:39 > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: [Leica] was software licensing, now Leica S R strategy > > > On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > > > Steve, As to your fear of Leica going out of business, I sure hope > > that you are wrong! I think that Dr Kaufmann is pretty serious about > > his commitment to Leica. > > I don't doubt either his seriousness or his sincerity Geoff, I question > his > strategy, and see that it has nothing to do with me and my real needs. > I have enough equipment to take world class photos for the rest of my > life, IF my creativity is up to the task. I am the limiting factor, > not my equipment... > > But regarding equipment, as stated, I am sad that the strategy that Leica > is > following will have nothing to do with me. While it may work, it is very > risky, especially in this tough international economic climate, and it may > well be a rocky road to disaster for the company. > > I suspect that the S system, and quite possibly the R system too, will be > too rich for me, perhaps for many of us... > > so I find it prohibitive, even nonsensical, and the world financial > realities won't help it... > > Steve > > > > > > > I don't expect > > that they plan to rely on the S system as their bread and butter > > though. > > Meanwhile, I'll take all of the quality I can get. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question > > > > > > On Oct 18, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Robert Meier wrote: > > > >> Quantity can't replace quality. > > > > > > nice thought, but it can and it will if it becomes so unaffordable > > that it > > will go out of business... > > > > > > Steve > > > > > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" > >> <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au > >>> > >> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:46 PM > >> Subject: RE: [Leica] software licensing question > >> > >> > >>> Hmm, that's a pretty negative take on it! There is a whole speech in > >>> the middle dealing with the new S system. There are also several > >>> superb new M lenses. I thought that Leica had a very good Photokina > >>> myself. I was just taken with the German alliteration of Masse- > >>> Klasse > >>> especially. I read the translation of the speech from the original > >>> German with Google translate, since my smattering of high school > >>> German is definitely not up to the task > >>> ;-) > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Geoff > >>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. > >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org > >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman <lug-bounces%2Bhoppyman>=bigpond.net.au@ > leica-users.org] On > >>> Behalf Of Steve Barbour > >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 09:06 > >>> To: Leica Users Group > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question > >>> > >>> > >>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: > >>> > >>>> Steve, > >>>> > >>>> Literally - high-volume production is no alternative to high-class > >>>> production - The R10 is on its way > >>> > >>> > >>> nothing like making the apology before the camera... > >>> > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> Douglas > >>>> > >>>> Steve Barbour wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Keep on upgrading, I really hope that you mean CS3 and CS4! I > >>>>>> have my preorder in for CS4. > >>>>>> Check the upgrade options, often upgrades from earlier cost no > >>>>>> more than from the current(at least for a period). Or you can get > >>>>>> the current suite with a free upgrade to the latest when it hits > >>>>>> the streets. > >>>>>> I have a melange of suites and upgrades and components here. My > >>>>>> PS > >>>>>> CS3 > >>>>>> baulked at upgrading the PS part of my CS2 suite but was happy to > >>>>>> accept the serial number of my earlier stand alone CS. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> By the way, I initially thought of CS4 as primarily a means of > >>>>>> moving to the latest Raw support. However when you dive in it > >>>>>> looks to have a lot of very good improvements. > >>>>> > >>>>> please tell us a little about these if you would Geoff... > >>>>> > >>>>> also what does the German phrase below mean, why in German? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>> Geoff > >>>>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. > >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org > >>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman <lug-bounces%2Bhoppyman>= > bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On > >>>>>> Behalf Of lug > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 01:38 > >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Aah, the fine print. Thanks Brian! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> leo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Brian Reid wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> No. That is in violation of the Terms and Conditions in the > >>>>>>> upgrade contract. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> so if i buy an upgrade for photoshop 4, can i sell my upgrade > >>>>>>>> version of photoshop 3 to someone who wants to upgrade from > >>>>>>>> photoshop 2? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>>> information > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>> information > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>> information > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >