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Subject: [Leica] ... and Some Thoughts on the M3
From: luisripoll at telefonica.net (Lluis Ripoll)
Date: Sat Nov 1 16:19:03 2008
References: <627626.92152.qm@web86705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Frank,

If you've never tried the external vf SGVOO (for 90) I suggest to try  
it, it is reallya pleasurecompose with it. Another thing I like on the  
M3 and M's is that the VF is clean, no distracting LEDS, and with the  
external VF still more "clean".

Saludos cordiales
Lluis


El 01/11/2008, a las 18:39, FRANK DERNIE escribi?:

> Hi Lluis,
> I forgot to mention that I like the M3 finder best too, and I agree,  
> I have no problem using external finers for WA lenses!
> OTOH I only use the M8 now and the framelines are miles out at  
> normal distances, my only real complaint.
> Frank
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/11/08, Lluis Ripoll <luisripoll@telefonica.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Lluis Ripoll <luisripoll@telefonica.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] ... and Some Thoughts on the M3
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 3:35 PM
>> Hi Frank, and also to Hoppy
>>
>> I'm absolutely agree, the onky reason is economy and
>> maybe I should
>> add marketing. When Leitz has isssued the very nice camera
>> M6J, IMO
>> they has losst a great opportunity, they has do it it with
>> M6 VF
>> instead to re-buid an actual M3 vf, another advantage of
>> this one is
>> that it never flare, the M6 vf it flares, the VF of the MP
>> is quasi
>> perfect, my MP is 0,85x, and I've paid 400 Euros to
>> Solms to upgrade
>> the vf of my M6TTL to the same of the MP.
>>
>> I'm using M3 after 1989 and I continue thinking that it
>> is the best vf
>> Leica has created, for 21-24-28-35 no problem, there are
>> excellent
>> extrrnal viewfinders, on my experience I compose better the
>> image with
>> the SBLOO (for 35mm) and SLOOZ (for 28mm), even with the
>> SGVOO (90
>> mm), than with the M's brighlines viewfinders.
>>
>> I don't know with the M8 framelines, they look very
>> small for a 50,
>> neither I don't knowif it flare or it is improved as on
>> the MP.
>>
>> Saludos cordiales
>> Lluis
>>
>>
>> El 01/11/2008, a las 15:47, FRANK DERNIE escribi?:
>>
>>> Hi Lluis,
>>> I am fairly sure the reason the M3 rangefinder is no
>> longer made is
>>> that it was quite notably more expensive to make than
>> the M2 type.
>>> The M2 was made as an "economy" model with a
>> wider angle of view but
>>> a less precise but less expensive rangefinder. Since
>> many
>>> photographers preferred a 35mm lens it became possible
>> to
>>> standardise on the M2 style without owner complaint.
>>> Today , if you need a new viewfinder in your M3 they
>> have to fit a
>>> higher magnification M2 style viewfinder since the M3
>> type ran out
>>> years ago.
>>> There are pictures and drawings of the differences in
>> books I own,
>>> tha M3 really is a more expensive item under the skin
>> than
>>> subsequent M Leicas.
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 1/11/08, Lluis Ripoll
>> <luisripoll@telefonica.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Lluis Ripoll
>> <luisripoll@telefonica.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] ... and Some Thoughts on the
>> M3
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group"
>> <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 10:57 AM
>>>> Frank,
>>>>
>>>> I rarey use my 1,25x, IMO they "eat"
>> some
>>>> brilliance.
>>>>
>>>> About the M3 VF, I've never understod why
>> Leica did not
>>>> remake it on a
>>>> modern version
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Lluis
>>>>
>>>> El 31/10/2008, a las 7:17, Frank Filippone
>> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the improvement using the 1.25 (
>> I do not
>>>> have a 1.4, but
>>>>> believe it will work as well....)
>>>>>
>>>>> However, the 1.4 costs as much as almost any
>> other
>>>> manufacturer's
>>>>> SLR 50mm
>>>>> lens.... !
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess glass is glass at Leica...
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>> red735i@earthlink.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The magnifiers are VERY helpful with critical
>> DoF on
>>>> the 50 and up
>>>>> wide open
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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