Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/11/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jayanand I think that pretty much terminates my thread that started asking who was excited about the comments from Maike Harbets on the coming R10. I don't see anything positive or useful in describing the Leica enthusiasts here as cheerleaders, apologists, aging fans or the young fashion conscious. Sorry to read that you and a dozen friends decided not to buy the M8 because you dislike the requirement for the UV/IR filter. It is very old news now, of course. My lenses have them. Leica gave me two and I bought two more. They work. I put them on and forget about them and get on with enjoying the camera. I'm very surprised to read that you consider them a deal breaker. You're missing out on a unique and superb tool. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ Maike Harbets speaks on the S2. .... So we will drop down this technology to our other systems. Our priority is to modernise the R system which will be in the end an R10, definitely. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Leica] R10 news Steve, I agree absolutely - equipment does not matter at all. But it does Leica no good to have cheerleaders who do not look at the negatives of their approach - I think the final pressure on a company to change is always, in the final analysis, applied by the customer. For example however good the M8 may be, and I have not used one so I dont know, the necessity to use IR filters is a gigantic misstep, which a company of Leica's size can ill afford. However practically everyone on the list played apologist, and those who had bought M8s went out of their way to say that it was no big deal. Well it was - I would have definitely bought one but for this, and I have a dozen friends who would have, too. Leica can ill afford to lose sales like this. I still say that if a camera is so good, we would see professionals, who make a living shooting photographs using it. It does Leica no good, in the long run, at their prices, to target sales of a camera either to an aging fan club, or to a younger generation as a fashion accessory. Cheers Jayanand On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: > > Doug, >> I disagree - they are well on the way. Look at the new Nikon zooms - >> 14-24, 24-70 and the 200-400 - I have no experience with Canon. Leica >> make great lenses, but don't sell many, and it wont change whatever >> happens. I am sure the Nikon D3 with the 200-400 would do wonders for >> your bird photography. >> It >> makes no sense to be blind to the demerits of a brand - by all means >> shoot what you want, but keep your mind open to reality. IMHO the >> number of bird photographers using the DMR can be counted on the >> fingers of one hand, and there must be a reason for it - otherwise it >> would be the equipment of choice for them. >> > > and somehow Jayanand (and I know you know this) we always seem to play > up the equipment here, as the be all and end all, > > forgetting other factors.... > > like, > > it takes more than great equipment to take great pictures... > > > Steve > > > > If it is the benchmark, I dont see it used as such by any >> reviewer of cameras. Therefore in the real world, except for a few of >> us in this list, who have the interest and the time, it is really >> irrelevant. >> BTW, the only magazine I saw the M8 recommended (as a must buy toy, >> like the >> Iphone) is Esquire or GQ, I forget which - if Leica has to survive on >> sales to the general readership of those magazines, they are gone. To >> most of the inhabitants of the world, cameras are discretionary >> purchases, and I expect sales to really go down everywhere with the >> present crisis, especially at the top end of the market. C,N & S will >> survive that, but what about Leica? >> I will make a prediction that one of the Japanese companies, probably >> Matsushita, will buy them within the next 3 years. >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> A. Lal wrote: >>> >>> I had a chance to speak to Ms. Harbets at the Leica booth at NY >>>> >>> Photo-Expo >>> >>>> last week. I'd be very surprised if the R 10 goes on sale before >>>> the next Photokina. By then C, N and S will probably have 30 meg >>>> sensors in their top bodies. Not sure what Leica need to compete. >>>> >>> >>> C, N and S will need to revamp much of their lens lineup in order to >>> take advantage of 30MP sensors. Early results from the 5DII suggest >>> that its sensor is overkill for many of the EF lenses. Absent a >>> completely new set of lenses, C, N and S will do better to address >>> bit depth and DR deficiencies. >>> >>> Doug Herr >>> Birdman of Sacramento >>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information