Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/11/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]and of course my comments had nothing to do with the M8...they stand on their own. But I have an M8, use it, have filters, never use them, don't miss them...love my M8, that's it... Steve On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: > Steve, > I agree absolutely - equipment does not matter at all. But it does > Leica no > good to have cheerleaders who do not look at the negatives of their > approach > - I think the final pressure on a company to change is always, in > the final > analysis, applied by the customer. For example however good the M8 > may be, > and I have not used one so I dont know, the necessity to use IR > filters is a > gigantic misstep, which a company of Leica's size can ill afford. > However > practically everyone on the list played apologist, and those who had > bought > M8s went out of their way to say that it was no big deal. Well it > was - I > would have definitely bought one but for this, and I have a dozen > friends > who would have, too. Leica can ill afford to lose sales like this. I > still > say that if a camera is so good, we would see professionals, who > make a > living shooting photographs using it. It does Leica no good, in the > long > run, at their prices, to target sales of a camera either to an aging > fan > club, or to a younger generation as a fashion accessory. > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> > wrote: > >> >> On Nov 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: >> >> Doug, >>> I disagree - they are well on the way. Look at the new Nikon zooms - >>> 14-24, >>> 24-70 and the 200-400 - I have no experience with Canon. Leica >>> make great >>> lenses, but don't sell many, and it wont change whatever happens. >>> I am >>> sure >>> the Nikon D3 with the 200-400 would do wonders for your bird >>> photography. >>> It >>> makes no sense to be blind to the demerits of a brand - by all >>> means shoot >>> what you want, but keep your mind open to reality. IMHO the number >>> of bird >>> photographers using the DMR can be counted on the fingers of one >>> hand, and >>> there must be a reason for it - otherwise it would be the >>> equipment of >>> choice for them. >>> >> >> and somehow Jayanand (and I know you know this) we always seem to >> play up >> the equipment here, as the be all and end all, >> >> forgetting other factors.... >> >> like, >> >> it takes more than great equipment to take great pictures... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> If it is the benchmark, I dont see it used as such by any >>> reviewer of cameras. Therefore in the real world, except for a few >>> of us >>> in >>> this list, who have the interest and the time, it is really >>> irrelevant. >>> BTW, the only magazine I saw the M8 recommended (as a must buy >>> toy, like >>> the >>> Iphone) is Esquire or GQ, I forget which - if Leica has to survive >>> on >>> sales >>> to the general readership of those magazines, they are gone. To >>> most of >>> the >>> inhabitants of the world, cameras are discretionary purchases, and I >>> expect >>> sales to really go down everywhere with the present crisis, >>> especially at >>> the top end of the market. C,N & S will survive that, but what about >>> Leica? >>> I will make a prediction that one of the Japanese companies, >>> probably >>> Matsushita, will buy them within the next 3 years. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A. Lal wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a chance to speak to Ms. Harbets at the Leica booth at NY >>>>> >>>> Photo-Expo >>>> >>>>> last week. I'd be very surprised if the R 10 goes on sale before >>>>> the >>>>> next >>>>> Photokina. By then C, N and S will probably have 30 meg sensors >>>>> in >>>>> their >>>>> top bodies. Not sure what Leica need to compete. >>>>> >>>> >>>> C, N and S will need to revamp much of their lens lineup in order >>>> to take >>>> advantage of 30MP sensors. Early results from the 5DII suggest >>>> that its >>>> sensor is overkill for many of the EF lenses. Absent a >>>> completely new >>>> set >>>> of lenses, C, N and S will do better to address bit depth and DR >>>> deficiencies. >>>> >>>> Doug Herr >>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information