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Subject: [Leica] OT: Michael Collins, was Gun Photos
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sat Dec 6 21:53:33 2008
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At 07:55 PM 12/2/2008, Douglas Barry wrote:
 >> citation to run down.  The Wikipedia
 >Just came home from Bray Camera Club's weekly meeting and see that there's 
 >a
 >Collins spat in full swing!
 >Forget about Wikipedia for a start for any real depth and accuracy. Collins
 >was a regular visitor to my grandmother and grandaunt's house during the
 >1916 Rising. Allegedly, he hung from a windowsill during one particular 
 >raid
 >on it, but, that said, the story may well be apocryphal. However, as it was
 >told to me by my grandmother - her sister (my grandaunt) was married to
 >Captain Sean Connolly the man who led the 1916 raid on Dublin Castle, took
 >over the adjoining City Hall, and was the first of the Irish Volunteers
 >killed in the Rising - for that reason I expect it was true. Collins at the
 >time was second in command of the Volunteers that took over the General 
 >Post
 >Office and both men knew each other well.
 >
 >Collins did pass through most counties in Ireland as he was a legendary
 >recruiter, organiser, and man manager, so many of the countries on Ireland
 >could probably have some claim on him. Collins was initially a friend of
 >Erskine Childers the novelist and a strong advocate of Irish nationalism -
 >father to the Erskine Childers who became president of Ireland in the 70s -
 >but the relationship broke down after the treaty. Childers did live in
 >Glendalough, Co. Wicklow one of the most beautiful parts of Ireland so the
 >claim that he had a special relationship with the county cannot be
 >discounted.

Thank you.  Collins was not especially close to 
Childers -- the two men were VERY far apart in 
origin and class -- and I have a lot of 
difficulty seeing Collins ever visiting Childers 
save in the course of military 
movements.  Collins did not visit country houses 
as did those of Childer's background.

Again, the challenge is to Sunny's assertion that 
Collins had a special attachment to County 
Wicklow and regarded the folks there as somehow 
superior to those in the other parts of 
Ireland.  Let's stick to the matter in 
discussion, windmills being a bit off the subject.

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!



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