Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, Marc, I consider myself serious, in terms of the money, the time, and the commitment to photography. I am not famous, and I earn my pay in other ways, but I still consider myself "serious" (indeed, my wife even claims that I am a killjoy...) I have owned various cameras in various formats over the years. My experience with the M8 is little more than a week at this point. But I have already seen enough to say that it is the best digital camera for my needs that I have ever owned. And please do not start talking about Canon wide angles; they were one of the reasons why I switched from Canon to Olympus, despite the smaller sensor. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > Talking about the "quality" of the M8 sensor against the "quality" > of the > sensors most serious amateurs and pros are using is a blurring of a > simplification of the issue. > Like talking about the "Quality" of a film Hasselblad over a Canon > camera. > Or the "Quality" of a Nikon over an Olympus FT. > "Quality" has surprisingly little to do with it. > Its real estate. And not location location location but: > Size of the plot. Acreage. Square feet. Square yards. Meter. > FORMAT. > The build of the camera has little to do with it. > The wonderfulness of how flat it holds the film.... > > A cheap termite ridden 4x5 will give a way superior image over roll > film > every time... With a fungus ridden optic on it. It doesn't even have > to try > very hard. Tap dance on your wet negs on your darkroom floor. Its > hard to > mess of the brilliant superiority of sheet film. > > The M8 is a half frame camera. Digital. But half frame > The rest of the serious shooting world has moved up to full 24x36 > frame. > The sensor can be really great which I'm sure it is but its not > going to go > up against a sensor twice its length across. > It's not going to go up against a HALF ASSED sensor twice its length > across. > > In another time warp dimension What if Barnack decided not to go > "double > frame" which was what 24x36 was then called then but was intractable > in the > ongoing working movie film frame size at the time called "single > frame" or > 18x24???? > We'd not be talking about Barnack at this point because no one would > have > heard of him and this would be the Leica historic list not the Leica > users > list.. > Leica would have been quickly eclipsed by Nikon and Canon and Pentax > in the > 30's and it would be a distant memory of a microscope company who > made real > high quality half frame cameras in the 20's then went under in the > 30's > depression. > And that's what could happen now. > With the S2 aimed squarely at one out of 100 thousand pros and serious > amateurs who have a decimal point less cash to blow on gear than is > the > price point of the S2. > 20,000 big E's. > > What does Leica have which is going to go up against a Nikon D3, D3x > or D700 > with a 14-24 2.8 ultra wide zoom on it > or a Canon full frame with their ultra wide zoom on it? ...... > .... A Zoom Super Wide Angle EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM AutoFocus Lens? > > > (whatever Canon has which is going to go up against Nikons 14-24 2.8 > you're > going to have to tune in next week for. As that's how long it will > take > Canon to reply to the Nikon challenge. NOT the end of next summer) > Days not seasons. > > > > mark@rabinergroup.com > Mark William Rabiner > > > >> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3@mac.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:24:41 -0600 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] un-believable >> >> I'll take the fine detail and dynamic range >> over >> the high ISO auto noise reduction >> every time >> >> Would I like ISO 64,000 with no noise >> AND the M8 detail and dynamic range >> You bet. Maybe someday I'll have it. >> >> For now. Simply love the M8 and the photographs it produces. >> >> Fond regards, >> George >> >> george@imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com/blog >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >> >> >> >> On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Sonny Carter wrote: >> >>>> The M8 has been out since 2006. So has the D80. Each camera has >>>> 10.1 >>>> megapixels, decent noise per ISO, but the price was very different. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information