Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]They both have the full ring, serrated over about 270 degrees of it, the aperture numbers the rest of the way. So, they are BOTH version 3 -- that is surprising, good news. But all four versions are the same optically, aren't they? Bob On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: > Bob, I've just taken a look at Erwin Puts' book and see that he > puts the intro of version 3 in 1971 that would make both of your > lenses version 3's. One other way to determine to which group your > earlier lens belongs is ask if the diaphragm is controlled by a > small tab that protrudes from the lens mount or by a more typical > ring. If the former, it is version 2, if the latter, they're both > version 3. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" > <robertmeier@usjet.net> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron > > >> My other Summicron 35 is 2619853, which the list puts as only a year >> newer (thanks Arche), but this one is mint. I thought the newer one >> is version 3, but now I'm not sure. >> Bob >> >> On Jan 17, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: >> >>> Same series (version), Bob? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>> >>> >>>> Seth, >>>> >>>> That's a very impressive story, both about how well built a Leica >>>> lens is, and how good the Leica New Jersey service is/was. I >>>> should >>>> reconsider selling this lens, except I have another one that is >>>> newer >>>> and is even nicer! >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Bob, the lists I have show that your 35/2 Summicron is from >>>>> 1972 >>>>> production that commenced at #2503101 through 2556500. I believe >>>>> that Steve's serial numbers refer only to cameras. I bought one of >>>>> these lenses shortly after their introduction in 1969 or 70. >>>>> Was in >>>>> my kit for a four-week visit to South and East Africa = 700+ >>>>> Kodachromes. >>>>> >>>>> One afternoon in our hotel room in Nairobi after returning from an >>>>> 8-day tour of the Serengeti, I put down my M4 w/ 35/2 Summicron >>>>> attached to answer the phone. I had forgotten to twist the lens to >>>>> full lock. When I picked it up, the lens plunged onto a tile >>>>> floor, >>>>> bending the rear flange. I literally burst into sweat, told my >>>>> wife >>>>> that I had to go for a short walk to calm down. Returned to hotel >>>>> room, looked once again at bent flange, shook lens vigorously to >>>>> ascertain if there were loose glass elements, diaphragm blades or >>>>> other un-Leica-like anomalies, etc, tried it on the M4 to >>>>> which it >>>>> seemd to mate as usual. Had no back-up 35mm so used it balance of >>>>> the trip. On return to NYC, I called Vince Fochtman, the lens guy >>>>> at Leitz/Rockleigh whom I knew pretty well, told him the story and >>>>> said I was sending him the lens; if there was damage to the glass >>>>> or mechanicals that could not be made perfect, please just return >>>>> the lens with a bill and I would sell it and find another; if it >>>>> could be made optically and mechanically flawless despite cosmetic >>>>> flaws, please repair the lens. A week passed, my lens returned >>>>> with >>>>> a Leitz invoice that had no charge. I called Vince and >>>>> inquired. He >>>>> said the lens was fine, glass clean, clear, not decentered a >>>>> micron, just as good as it had come from Wetzlar; he had been able >>>>> very gently and little by little to bend the bent- out-of-shape >>>>> flange into perfect alignment, didn't need any parts, so no >>>>> charge! >>>>> Talk about robust fortress-like construction! I would like to >>>>> think >>>>> that current production is just as strong. Who knows? >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy your Summicron! >>>>> >>>>> Seth >>>>> >>>>> Seth >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:19 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Seth, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for that confirmation. Where can I go to check the >>>>>> serial >>>>>> numbers of lenses? All I know about is Stephen Gandy's lists of >>>>>> body serial numbers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it is indeed the second version >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:02 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a 35mm Summicron, pre-aspheric, that shows wear on the >>>>>>>> barrel >>>>>>>> (no dents or dings) and has mint glass. With both caps. I >>>>>>>> think it >>>>>>>> is 2nd version, but I'm not sure. 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