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Subject: [Leica] FW: Friedlander & Madonna: Switcheroo..
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:13:01 -0700
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On May 1, 2009, at 9:00 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Well said Douglas.
> I find the knee jerk, negative reaction to blatant human sexuality,
> paradoxically, both understandable [because of cultural taboos] and  
> odd [because of my personal appreciation of beauty].
>
> Does anyone think this is not a a well composed rectangular frame of  
> a beautiful young woman in her prime?
> I assume that if she wore jeans some, who object, would find it a  
> beautiful photograph.
> So does it come down to "we're not supposed to see [or be shown]  
> human genitals in photographs?"
> It's okay to photograph the horrors of war but not the beauty of  
> sexuality and human desire?
> Then take the judgement so far as to judge the model a "slut?"

probably all of these things are at work here...

whatever...

is it a truly great photo...well I think not,

is it beautiful vs porn...all in the eyes of the beholder...

Just wondering why Madonna didn't photograph Friedlander like this...?

:-)

maybe not...

Steve




>
> If this image were a beautiful drawing or painting would some of the  
> objectors have a less prudish reaction?
> Most painters and sculptors, we now admire as historically "best,"  
> have similar poses in their body of work.
> Is the photographic medium just too "real" for reality?
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Douglas Barry wrote:
>
>>
>> "Frank Filippone" <red735i at earthlink.net> wrote
>>> $37.5K is cheap?
>>>
>>> I am jealous... I wish I could sell some garbage photos for this  
>>> kind of cash.......  forget the topic of a nude.....
>>>
>>> I have seen a lot of stuff that I consider garbage, in collections  
>>> like the Getty, MOMA, and others.  Big prints, probably big  
>>> bucks.  I really wonder if art collectors and gallery owners, and  
>>> Museums actually have anyone on staff that knows the difference  
>>> between something worthwhile and something that is worthless...  
>>> worthless in the sense of intrinsic value, qualitative value, or  
>>> otherwise quality in general.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Sorry, have to disagree.
>>
>> People decide what moves them, and what to pay for it. What one  
>> person likes may not necessarily be liked by you or I, but, for the  
>> person who buys it, it may pull a certain string in their heart.  
>> The fact that the price reached 37.5k was not just driven by the  
>> image but also by the combination of the Friedlander & Ciccione  
>> names, just as the presence of an Olympic recordholder adds lustre  
>> & price to a sports image: a similar image of a club athlete at a  
>> small local sports event would not necessarily have the same cachet  
>> or price.
>>
>> Anyway, I liked the confrontational composition which we all seem  
>> to agree was confrontational :-)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Douglas
>> _________
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>> Bray, Co. Wicklow
>> Republic of Ireland
>>
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