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Subject: [Leica] 8 or 8.2
From: jbcollier at shaw.ca (John Collier)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:54:25 -0600
References: <p06230901c621565c282b@10.0.1.199> <36172e5a0905011932k698ebe99wc1f7ab55f51100aa@mail.gmail.com> <65E10077-5CE1-4225-A295-8535519DA5CA@shaw.ca> <36172e5a0905011941i6eab545eocd896ffaabe1885e@mail.gmail.com>

All recent film Ms and M8

- inside framelines at minimum focus
- outside edge at aproximately 2 m
- roughly three frameline widths extra all round at infinity

Naturally this varies with focal length with longer lens showing  
greater variance.

John

On 1-May-09, at 8:41 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> John, I understood that the change in the M8.2 is to the setup in  
> your film
> M rather than the frame lines approximating the framing at the  
> minimum focus
> distance. Of course they are not identical to the Film M's;  
> different sets,
> different magnifications.
>
> 2009/5/2 John Collier <jbcollier at shaw.ca>
>
>> I prefer the M8 framelines as they are the same as all my film Ms,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 1-May-09, at 8:32 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>
>> Henning, the frame line difference is personal preference, I'm  
>> sure. As is
>>> the importance of the 1/8000 setting and the quieter shutter.  
>>> Yours is the
>>> first expressed preference for the M8 frame lines over the M8.2  
>>> that I
>>> have
>>> read. As you say, you adjust to what you have. 'More accurate  
>>> framelines'
>>> from me was just meant to indicate the different setup. I guess I  
>>> need to
>>> choose my words more carefully ;-)
>>> Leica presumably was responding to expressed preferences when they  
>>> changed
>>> to the new arrangement.
>>> I wish that they would run the discounted upgrade programme over  
>>> here. I
>>> guess this is a Leica USA initiative? In Aus an M8.2 new is double  
>>> the
>>> (discounted) price of the M8 new now. Any M8 service at all and any
>>> upgrade
>>> all goes to Solms.
>>>
>>> 2009/5/2 Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>
>>>
>>> Goes to show that personal preferences are what count. I'd pay  
>>> maybe $5
>>>> more for an M8.2, figuring that the pluses of the 8.2 pretty much  
>>>> balance
>>>> the lack of 1/8000sec.
>>>>
>>>> To add to that. The 'more accurate framelines' belong to the M8,  
>>>> as that
>>>> shows what you get at minimum focus. The 8.2 framelines show what  
>>>> you get
>>>> between minimum and infinity.
>>>>
>>>> For accurate framing I like a view camera or a digital P&S or  
>>>> dslr with
>>>> LiveView. With the M8, like any other Leica RF, you get used to the
>>>> parameters, and then work with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 6:07 PM -0500 5/1/09, David Keenan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any REALLY good reason to pass on an M8 demo and
>>>>>
>>>>>> hold out for the 8.2?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ric --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> 'Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On'
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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