Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/05/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On May 7, 2009, at 10:17 AM, bruce golding wrote: > steve, tell that to the western world ................ and those who > live in hope. > > it all relates to man's demand for possession. food need is excepted. > yes, > > so the problem is not what's available, it's peoples' desire/ability > to access it. > > Steve > > b. > > On 7-mei-2009, at 19:03, Steve Barbour wrote: > >> >> On May 7, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >> >>> Correct although I never to meant to imply I thought this is >>> static, one achieves new perspective through interaction in the >>> world and then subsequently must reinterpret what they think. >>> Having an open or positive mindset allows this but many people >>> have fixed mindsets and are not open to new perspectives. They >>> are static. >> >> >> yes, >> >> so the problem is not what's available, it's peoples' desire/ >> ability to access it. >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> At 10:36 AM 5/7/2009, you wrote: >>> >>>> On May 7, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reading and watching is a state. The interpretation of what you >>>>> read and watch is the action. A person can read and watch >>>>> everything that exists and will only interpret within their >>>>> perspective. How can an interpretation be made outside your >>>>> perspective? I believe therefore one would be hard-pressed to >>>>> come >>>>> up with an example of a person making an interpretation outside >>>>> what >>>>> they already think. >>>> >>>> at the core I agree with you Chris, but things are not static... if >>>> one is open to learning, >>>> >>>> once that is accomplished, a person may be capable of new >>>> interpretations... >>>> >>>> so one has to be open to learning, and find productive avenues to >>>> accomplish that.... >>>> >>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Or do you do what most people do, only read/watch what fits >>>>>> in with what they already think? I really feel sorry for you! >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov >>>>>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net> wrote: >>>>>> > I'm in the middle of reading Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker, >>>>>> 2008. >>>>>> It's a >>>>>> > history of the interwar period, up to 1941, using news >>>>>> articles, >>>>>> diary >>>>>> > entries, etc., from a pacifist's point of view. >>>>>> > It's grim reading, and an indelible commentary on journalism, >>>>>> without >>>>>> > "choosing sides". >>>>>> > The BBC strikes me as being virtually within the same mold as >>>>>> Radio Free >>>>>> > America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Vatican Radio, etc. >>>>>> Meaning it is >>>>>> > a "point of view" form of broadcasting, with government >>>>>> funding. >>>>>> > S.d. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On May 6, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Philippe AMARD wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Outside of the former Soviet environment, British >>>>>> journalism is >>>>>> one of >>>>>> >>> the most censored on the planet. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> BBC included? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I must listen to Bejing radio immediately >>>>>> >> Ph >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Then again, on the academic level, anyone learning journalism >>>>>> in the US, >>>>>> >>> at the multiplicity of Annenberg School(s) for Communication, >>>>>> is taught >>>>>> >>> self censorship. A predictable mind provides a safe product. >>>>>> >>> S.d. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On May 6, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Tina Manley wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> At 08:41 AM 5/6/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Mark said: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> And why would you felt like you needed to oblige them? >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Because they refuse access unless you agree to their terms. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> >>>> true of more and more organizations. All of the photos >>>>>> taken >>>>>> on National >>>>>> >>>> Trust property in England have been removed from Alamy >>>>>> because the Trust >>>>>> >>>> refuses to allow photographers use photos taken on their >>>>>> grounds. Usually >>>>>> >>>> it's because the organization wants to make money >>>>>> themselves >>>>>> by leasing the >>>>>> >>>> photos - like many museums don't allow photography so they >>>>>> can sell slides >>>>>> >>>> and prints in the gift shop. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> The exact same thing...When the subjects lay out ground >>>>>> rules >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>> access or want to review images before publication it's >>>>>> time >>>>>> to walk away. >>>>>> >>>>> Walt >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I agree but there are more and more things we're having to >>>>>> walk away >>>>>> >>>> from these days. British photographers are protesting the >>>>>> National Trust >>>>>> >>>> stand but I doubt they'll be able to change anything. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Tina >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Tina Manley >>>>>> >>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Leica Users Group. >>>>>> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH >>>>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics >>>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>>>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu >>>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>>>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>>>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>>>> Office A-0049 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH >>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu >>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>> Office A-0049 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information