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Subject: [Leica] Leica M8 -- too fragile for the real world - or don't sweat while using it...
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:05:54 -0800
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> George,
> Electronics is the main culprit in modern cameras, and it is not restricted
> to Leica. The M2 & M3 had no electronics, and the worst that could happen 
> in
> the M6 due to electronics is loss of metering. Therefore there was less 
> that
> could go wrong with them. With digital, a small malfunction, always
> possible, might lead to a whole circuit board being changed - leading to
> expensive repairs for seemingly minor problems. But Leica should minimise
> these by giving a level of weather sealing and dust proofing - like my 
> Nikon
> D300 - not absolutely bulletproof, but good enough.

or offer an extended warranty, or some sort of insurance plan, in case of...


Steve


> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:11 AM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at 
> mac.com>wrote:
> 
>> All true enough Geoff.
>> 
>> However, many of us come from using M2's, 3's and 6's
>> under the most adverse conditions with very little maintenance;
>> beyond the occasional wiping down, and dusting off.
>> So the mechanical M's have a reputation
>> which the digital M's may not live up to
>> without reevaluating the "sealing" issue.
>> 
>> Most of us who chose buy and now love our M8's
>> knew we would walk this bleeding edge.
>> Fine.
>> 
>> However, now in the third generation of digital M's
>> I'm feeling that this particular issue requires immediate and serious
>> attention
>> (way beyond IR filters, magenta casts, corner issues - the camera has to
>> WORK);
>> unless Leica wants only dilettante users in air conditioned clean rooms;
>> instead of hard working professionals who sweat,
>> and regularly shoot near oceans, deserts, swimming pools,
>> storms, factories, foundries, ball fields, etc.
>> 
>> Nathan did not abuse his camera.
>> 5,000 - 10,000 exposures in a year
>> with a little sweat and sea air
>> (he didn't sail every weekend
>> and I doubt he set the camera in the sand at the beach)
>> should not require a $500 + repair.
>> 
>> Nor should he have to choose a different camera,
>> other than the $4-5K Leica,
>> for a daily hour bike ride.
>> 
>> I appreciate your dedicated love of Leica.
>> I share it;
>> until the third generation gear self destructs
>> under normal advanced amateur
>> or professional use.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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