[Leica] IMG: Printing Workshop

[rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler)]

Well said Peter. I tend to agree. Not sure why I cropped in the first place, 
but I'll be going back to work on the uncropped to see how it works out.
And another point well made was the difference between print and web. 
Obviously the color spaces are very different for each with the web having 
far less "gamut" than a print (assuming sRGB for the web and ProPhoto for a 
print). I think this translates into the shadow detail being lost in many 
areas of a print-to-web transition (especially in the reds and greens). So 
the web version of a print may indeed look lighter.
All that said, I appreciate your comments very much and look forward to more 
of them in the future.
Best,
Bob
 Bob Adler
Palo Alto, CA
http://www.rgaphoto.com




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From: Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 3:19:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Printing Workshop

Bob,

IMHO of course - and printing is very subjective **and** I am somebody who 
can't
even satisfy himself, so...

I thing that of the first pair, the original has greater depth and feeling of
perspective; the second has the depth washed out and ios - to my eyes - too
bright. Obviously I don't kinow your process but it looks like the contrast 
in
the background, particularly in the top right quadrant, has been reduced too
much and the rocks in centre field are too bright partly I guress as a 
result of
your process. I wouldn't have cropped it to the extent that you have. I would
have left more all round. The smallness of the tree to the left actually 
adds to
the sense of scale and lends graneur and majesty to the scene. By the same 
token
the size of the fishermen in the original emphasises their insignificance in 
the
scheme of things.

The second one is much better IMHO particularly in the effect that you have
generated in the sky. However I think that you have dullened (is that a 
word?)
the picture too much in doing whatever process you have. I think the 
foreground
stones need to have the warmth of the original yellows restored a bit.

The thing is that every printer has his own style and tenor to his prints,
particularly if he took the shots himself. Preparing for screen and real live
printing are again two very different forms. The really good printers on the 
LUG
will I am sure re-inforce that it is so much trial and error, even if you 
know
the inks and the paper! So if you are happy with them that's great.

Hope that that helps a bit.

Peter

Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Sorry to say, but I find the pre-workshop image better in the case of the 
> first pair, although in the second pair the "after" version looks better.
> 
> All IMO of course :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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> 
> On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Bob Adler wrote:
> 
>> Just finished a weekend (Fri 9am - 9pm; Sat. 9am - 9pm; Sun. 8:30am - 
>> 5pm) workshop put on by a very fine local photographer (Charles Cramer). 
>> 8 participants learned some finer points of Photoshop and were able to 
>> work on and print what we worked on, taking home 2 large prints and many 
>> medium and small prints.
>>
>> I ended up working on three images for the weekend, two of which I'm good 
>> with. Here are the before and after web versions:
>> http://www.rgaphoto.com/BeforeAfter
>>
>> The third image needs some more fine tuning. 
>> Though it may not be readily apparent in the web shots, the prints are 
>> markedly improved. The CS4 techniques were great to learn, but even 
>> better were the interactions with other participants and Charles.
>>
>> If you've not seen Charles Cramer's lovely work, you can see web versions 
>> on his website:
>> http://www.charlescramer.com
>> His co-instructor for the workshop was Rex Naden:
>> http://www.rexnaden.com
>> Not to shabby...
>>
>> If you ever get the chance to see his prints, I strongly recommend them 
>> to you. They are truly luminous. If you ever get to join him in a 
>> workshop you won't regret it. 
>> C&C always appreciated.
>> Bob
>> Bob Adler
>> Palo Alto, CA
>> http://www.rgaphoto.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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