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Subject: [Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:08:01 +0200
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Rubbish. Tell me, quickly, how many inches to 1.25 miles?

Nathan Wajsman
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On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Rei Shinozuka wrote:

> This metric debate led me to find this intriguing site from some Brits (of 
> all people).  It's an eloquent and cogent expression of why we yahoos 
> cling to our inches and pounds.
> 
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/estatopia/inch.htm
> 
> Quotes:
> 
> "Metric is a (scientific) way of measuring the world as if we were not in 
> it, not a part of it. But we are in the world, we are  a part of it and we 
> need a measurement system which takes account of our existence and which 
> allows us to know our place in relation to nature. If we understand that 
> we are part of nature then we will be less inclined to destroy it."
> 
> "Those who know their history will know that the metre was invented in 
> France in 1790 and is, allegedly, one ten-millionth of the distance from 
> the North Pole to the Equator. The invention of the metre was part of the 
> Revolutionaries' rational and scientific response to what they regarded as 
> the superstitions of the past. By contrast, the British Imperial system 
> (as used by the Greeks and the Romans as well as in pre-revolutionary 
> France) is anthropometric which means it is based on the human frame. From 
> time immemorial units of measure have been derived from the human figure: 
> palm, hand, foot, cubit etc. Some fall out of use and become archaic but 
> those which remain do so for the very good reason that they are 
> convenient, practical, easy to understand and, above all, easy to 
> visualise which is a necessary part of translating working drawings into a 
> built structure. This was clearly demonstrated to me when I recently had a 
> garage built. The workmen, all of whom were under 30 years of age were 
> thinking and working in feet and inches - 18" deep foundations, 4" step 
> etc. When any change such as that wrought in 1965 is mooted, nobody ever 
> consults the real experts, the people who actually do the work. Where 
> theory and practice do not coincide then theory is wrong and practice is 
> right. "
> 
> "The reasons put forward in support of metric are far from compelling. 
> They range from the feeble (everyone else uses it) to the dimwitted (we 
> have ten fingers for counting on). There has never been, to my knowledge, 
> a logical demonstration of its superiority /in use/ over traditional 
> measurement. One of the most famous architects of the Modern Movement, Le 
> Corbusier, used feet and inches to calculate his twin modular system of 
> design after struggling and failing to work it out in metres and 
> centimetres."
> 
> "We have now all been thoroughly brainwashed into accepting the weatherman 
> on TV and radio telling us the temperatures in Centigrade (or Celsius or 
> whatever it's called this week). But there is a curious thing happens 
> during the summer months. When it gets hot outside, the newspapers and 
> radio and TV start telling us the temperatures in Fahrenheit with phrases 
> such as "..in the nineties". This is understandable because talking about 
> temperatures "..in the high thirties" doesn't quite have the same impact. 
> Nor does talking in Centigrade give any indication of the /relative/ 
> temperature, i.e. how it feels to us. Is it hot or cold today? Will I need 
> a coat if I go out?"
> 
> -rei
> 
> 
> On 08/09/2010 11:39 AM, Aram Langhans wrote:
>> Ah, to be metric.  I sure remember the ill-fated attempt in this country 
>> to "Go Metric".  I had just started teaching in this little town in 
>> Washington, Odessa.  I was teaching 6-8th grade science.  The law gave 
>> all kinds of money and materials to schools to teach the kids metric.  
>> The school looked around at the staff and classes they had and asked, 
>> "Hmm.  Who should we give this task to.  I know.  Science teachers.  They 
>> use metric anyway."  So the task was mine.  But they also looked at all 
>> the materials that were send and saw that there was a "lot" of math 
>> involved, so the said the math teachers could assist the science 
>> teachers.  Let the fun begin.  The materials, or at least the ones that I 
>> got, were all conversion based.  Lets teach our kids how to convert from 
>> the English system to the Metric (or should I say SI) system.  I looked 
>> at that and said, forget that.  They will never learn it that way.  So, 
>> the math teacher and I devised an immersion curriculum.  For 15 minutes 
>> each day (at the start.  It expanded as time went on), we started talking 
>> in just "metric".  We would hold up objects and ask what length, volume, 
>> mass, etc. they were.  Just "Think Metric".  We went on metric field 
>> trips around town, walking about and asking how far that was, sizes, 
>> masses, etc.  The kids were really learning the metric system.  Of 
>> course, after they left our classes, they were back in the English world 
>> again.  It didn't take many years and the school district said stop.  Too 
>> bad.  I felt we were really making progress and the students were 
>> bilingual in measurement.
>> This country has always been afraid of change.  From things as benign as 
>> metric to civil rights.  If I remember correctly, when Canada changed, 
>> they just said this is the way it will be and did not teach how to 
>> convert. As Nike says, Just Do It.  Change all the signs, order forms, 
>> product labels, etc.  Just Do It.  Mass confusion for a bit, but if you 
>> have to, you will. Of course, any politician who votes for something like 
>> that would not be reelected.
>> So, as a scientist and science teacher, I just plug along an in my class, 
>> we Just Do It until it is second nature.
>> 
>> Aram
>> 
>> Aram Langhans
>> Semi-retired (retarded?) Science Teacher
>> & Unemployed photographer
>> 
>> "The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin 
>> himself would ever have dared dream."   James D. Watson
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:07:57 -0400
>>> From: Rei Shinozuka <shino at panix.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Today is  8/9/10
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Message-ID: <4C5FEF9D.40406 at panix.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2010 03:34 AM, Jeff Moore wrote:
>>>> While I don't want the world to be boringly culturally homogeneous,
>>>> there are some things we should all just get with the program on:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   - Use the metric system, dammit.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Metric?  We might as well dissolve the NFL and watch guys in shorts
>>> maneuvering black and white Archimedean Buckyballs using only their feet.
>>> 
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> But any American born in the 1960s should remember this:
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metric_Marvels
>>> 
>>> The article closes:
>>> 
>>> "Ultimately, /The Metric Marvels/ failed to convince Americans to
>>> convert to the metric system. ... Americans largely ignored governmental
>>> attempts to push them in the direction of metrication, and the USMB [
>>> (U.S. Metric Board <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Metric_Board>) ]
>>> was eventually disbanded in 1982 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982>."
>>> 
>>> -rei
>>> (the ugly american, whose favorite lens is the 1.97 inch noctilux)
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Replies: Reply from shino at panix.com (Rei Shinozuka) ([Leica] Was Today is 8/9/10 Now Metric)
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